One thing I suspect is that the history of, and continued role of, medicalized discourse, alongside an implicitly essentialist metaphysics of gender, has encouraged people to think in questions like "what The_Cause of people identifying as trans?"
Whereas if gender is metaphysically accidental, we would expect there to be many reasons why someone might want to change it, same as most other things. We accept that reasons you'd move from San Francisco to Nebraska or visa-versa are basically psychosocial but do not regard them as thereby illegitimate. (I'm sure you could do a polygenic study and find genetic correlates of either decision, but no one would demand you do so before moving.)
It also seems to me less than obvious that biology serves as a standard of legitimacy more broadly, even within medicalized discourse. Schizophrenia and bipolar are generally seen as mostly biological in etiology but "illegitimate," for instance. Here I suspect the political history of sexual minorities - that they were under accusation of "recruiting" and/or undermining mass participation in heterosexual family formation - led to a biological account being less threatening.
As someone who isn't super plugged into this kind of discourse, I'll note it's interesting that I come into contact by osmosis with all sorts of discussions of what causes people to be trans, while "what's the basis of sexual orientation?" seems to have been rounded off to "idk i guess something biological whatever." I remember coming into contact by osmosis with the latter kind of discourse until it just sort of faded out. Likely the same happens once the eye of Sauron moves onto something else.
Schizophrenia and bipolar are generally seen as mostly biological in etiology
What's the evidence for them being biological? Just that they're heritable? (Even though non-biological etiologies like type 2 diabetes can totally be heritable too...)
"what's the basis of sexual orientation?"
One of my friends who gave feedback on my draft is a gay cis man who very helpfully pointed out that there was a similar Double Bind dynamic in the gay community, complete with the medicalization piece (AIDS, PrEP), and worries about finding a "gay gene" leading to eradication. I overlooked this because of the Eye of Sauron effect you mentioned. It's certainly not limited to the trans issue.
It also seems to me less than obvious that biology serves as a standard of legitimacy more broadly, even within medicalized discourse. Schizophrenia and bipolar are generally seen as mostly biological in etiology but "illegitimate," for instance.
I think the key distinction is social legitimacy versus 'the medical community believes insurance should cover this'. The second isn't apolitical but I do think it's mostly downstream of biological reality.
Scott's post on this You Don't Want A Purely Biological, Apolitical Taxonomy Of Mental Disorders is great.
There is evidence of a biological basis for trans identity.
It's plausible that there is a biological basis for feelings of body-map mismatch, but categorizing all of this under the rubric of "trans identity" continues to seem like a horrible civilization-wide confusion-inducing mistake to me.
The deprecated term "transsexual" also had its issues, of course (the confusion about whether the "sexual" part refers to your sex or the sex of people you are attracted to, like it does in e.g. "homosexual"), but it at least clearly pointed to the fact that it isn't entirely about "gender identity" qua social role-play.
categorizing all of this under the rubric of "trans identity" continues to seem like a horrible civilization-wide confusion-inducing mistake to me.
I agree! Unfortunately, people are not smart. Also, politics.
I think the utility of "transgender" is that people (including my teenage self) have a visceral irrational reaction to anything "sex" and it is useful to give people space to talk about gender variance without it being inherently sexual. Of course, sex is a factor. But I was very squeamish and prudish about it and that held me back. Also, there are many aspects of my transition and femininity I value highly which I see as non-sexual. Being emotionally effusive, empathic, and caring in social situations, for instance. I am closer now to my mother and sister (both cis) and that means a lot.
I still like the term "transsexual". It is quite fun to deploy when people aren't expecting it.
irrational reaction to anything “sex” and it is useful to give people space to talk about gender variance without it being inherently sexual
Yeah, "sex" itself is also problematic of course, referring both to essential characteristics of individuals and to complicated social interactions.
My biggest problem with "transgender" is that it implies the desirability of grave, not-entirely-reversible hormonal/surgical transition to people that are only uncomfortable with their gender role, but have no body map issues. I'd say that decoupling (temporary, reversible) social transition from HRT/surgery should be in the interest of large swathes of the political spectrum, only excluding extremists on both sides.
The "trans people tend not to have great introspective clarity into their own motivations for transition" in the earlier post bugged me a bit too. It's been a bitter thought of mine for a while: I tend not to get into lot of these conversations because, in this phrasing, cis people seem to have much shallower introspective clarity into their motivations for gendered aspects of their lives than I do.
That suggests the following (broad-strokes) thought experiment: take a bunch of people and expose them to the same kind of day-to-day pressure to justify/shift their relationship to gender/sex that trans people seem to experience. Then
Possible takes one could have:
The first two don't really resonate with me, and I guess they might resonate with others. The third one kind of resonates with me.
And of course as written this "experiment" is pretty underspecified, and what one thinks about it should be sensitive to the details. What's the nature of this "day-to-day pressure"? How much are we talking about? Digging into that ambiguity might open up some cruxes.
Arguably a lot of "gender studies" is basically people experiencing some kind of pressure to justify/shift their relationship to gender/sex, and writing about it.
As an aspect of my gender transition, my views shifted from "a lot of this 'men'/'women' stuff seems pretty crazy to me, but 'normies are gonna normie' and my social filters are selecting for people who have a 'sane' relationship to it" over to "no, the usual filters don't seem to be doing that... maybe I am picking up on a thing about me?".
I still don't know, that's still a tension that I feel. If we believe in some version of "cis by default", it's not out of the question that I'm one of those people, a "previously-cis-by-default" person who opened a Pandora's Box to inspect what they're doing with sex and gender so deeply that it shifted their outward relationship to it. But there's something that led me to the Pandora's Box.
Accuracy in introspection is hard. Accuracy in introspection in the face of cultural pressure is especially hard. I think marisa's "double bind" articulates one way in which it is hard for trans people. But to me it appears to be also very hard for cis people, partly because they're exposed to quite different (arguably more insidious) cultural pressure around a lot of the same things.
hey thanks for the comment :)
I feel like I don't have a great read on where the actual level of introspective clarity is for trans people. All my trans friends are introspective, I don't really know if I'm really capable of being friends with someone who isn't. I can't imagine not being curious about why I'm like this. So I was really surprised to read in Fiora's post "none of my friends have ever really put forth a parsimonious theory of what their actual motivations may have been".
Most of my impressions of not-my-friend trans people comes from social media and support groups I went to early in transition and just observing these community dynamics. I think people have the potential to be a lot more introspective, but they are held back by trauma and the stress of political doomerism. Which like, is genuinely stressful. Maybe we're gonna lose healthcare. People will post about this while also not doing anything behavioral in the real world to prepare for it. Basically I think the transes need to get off social media.
The other toxic dynamic-- and I am not the first one to describe this-- is that community spaces for babytrans (online and support groups) tend to be filled with two kinds of trans: (1) babytrans (2) trans who is no longer baby but also never really graduated from that stage, again, usually because of trauma or addiction. So often there aren't a lot of healthy role models or elders around for the young ones who need that.
I'm trans so I have a motive to search for evidence that suggests I am ~biologically valid~ and not subject to some kind of psychosocial delusion.
I'm personally not a fan of viewing things this way to begin with because I believe all differences in human behavior is "biologically valid".
If two people are exactly the same in every way except one prefers purple and the other prefers green, I expect we would find a difference somewhere in the human body and brain that matches this and explains it. Whether favorite color comes from a single part of the body or a complex emergence of various parts, I still expect a difference. I expect if Omega were to come down and examine a person's body/brain, they would be able to predict basically everything about that person. "This guy likes green, likes to wear shorts during winter, has a crush on Heather at work and is still embarrassed about that time he peed himself in fourth grade". We are not Omega, human understanding of our own physical existence is poor and we can't tell the sorts of things it could but that doesn't mean they wouldn't exist.
Trans people are "biologically valid" by default in the sense that their behavior is explained somewhere in their physical self the same way the green fan buying a green shirt is "biologically valid". Omega could look at someone and tell "this person will call themselves transgender, take cross-sex hormones and present the cross-sex social role accordingly". Omega also could tell if someone was gay. A similar pet peeve of mine is the debate over whether or not homosexuality is a choice. The issue to me is that we can always go up one step further on the free will ladder "ok that's a choice, but why did they make that choice?" and eventually end up, always, with that their biology made it so.
Of course other people have different views on free will especially those who believe in metaphysical existences like a soul. Even Omega could not determine the difference between the soul that prefers green and the soul that prefers red just by looking at their physical body, but I'm not religious or spiritual. And I'd argue that a soul doesn't even really change the discussion, because I assume Omega with a Soul Reader should be able to do it again.
That doesn't mean anything has to be viewed as morally acceptable. I still think there are people who are immoral and bad even if I believe it's the result of their biology. I still think there are people who are dangerous and need to be locked away even if in the far off abstract it's not "their fault" that their biology drives such behavior. And that doesn't mean that trans people have to slot into man-made category A instead of man-made category B, or whatever.
But I do think "is it biologically valid" a silly argument to be having to begin with.
I appreciate your comment, and thank you for reading my post :)
I do think what you wrote may be missing the point a bit. The debate is not over whether there is an observable-in-principle physical cause for being trans somewhere in a trans person's body.
The debate is over whether that cause was itself caused by biology (genes, epigenetics, hormone disruptors in the water, random errors of prenatal neuroendocrine development) or social factors. Because the answer to this question has massive implications for what healthcare should look like for trans people.
Yeah what caused it is definitely still up in the air, although I doubt it's going to end up as an either/or situation. Even if we can point to social factors as a major cause, how environmental stimulus impacts people differently still depends on their preexisting biology so it's going to be a mix there regardless. Just how much? I don't know.
Because the answer to this question has massive implications for what healthcare should look like for trans people.
Now I'm very libertarian so I don't think it should impact much at all for adults. Trans people already have the freedom of choice and they're using it. In terms of bad healthcare decisions, there's a lot worse going on where people can even straight up die from foregoing useful stuff in favor of magic herbs and other snake oil so it's not even a major priority if we were to crack down on bad healthcare. Which to be clear, I'm against doing even for that worse stuff.
Regarding children is definitely a harder choice but that gets into the messier topic of child freedom vs parental authority.
yup definitely a mix! appreciate your perspective and going through transition has made me more of a libertarian on health issues.
In college, I read The Man Who Would Be Queen, self-diagnosed as AGP [...] I looked obsessively for evidence of some repressed or unconscious ulterior motive, and found none.
Um, what changed your mind about AGP?
hi Zack, thank you for the comment :)
I was actively introspecting about AGP as a possibility so I don't consider it repressed/unconscious.
Please correct me if you disagree but my understanding is the following:
- Standard model: brain sex mismatch causes FEF, dysphoira, and transition
- Blanchard: ETLE causes FEF, dysphoira, and transition
Blanchard still says AGPs should transition. He doesn't propose a mechanism for what causes ETLE. So these theories look the same to me. I don't think there is an experiment we can run to determine which is true, and I don't know if that experiment would have consequences for clinical practice or policy.
So my understanding is that AGP the theory is only potentially useful at an individual therapeutic/psychological level.
Presumably female brain sex would imply more female-typical psychological traits, which would have lots of implications for clinical practice and policy to the extent that clinical practice and policy are sensitive to psychological sex differences. Much of the value of AGP-the-theory is that it provides a plausible explanation for why some males would want to become female other than "already" being female in some psychological sense.
What's your thoughts on my finding that HS/TS-spectrum gay men were only minimally shifted in gender-related psychological traits compared to wholly cis gay men? https://surveyanon.wordpress.com/2025/10/27/major-survey-on-the-hs-ts-spectrum-and-gaygp/ Except for aesthetic traits.
Seems like evidence that the HSTS vs. just-HS difference is dimensional (and maybe culturally determined) rather than taxonic, which supports the "brain sex" gloss in some ways, but not others (gay men are still men for a lot of clinical and policy purposes)?
Why not just index on the psychological traits directly then?
I'm not an expert on this but ETLE seems more like a hypothesis than an explanation to me. Let's suppose ETLE is true. What else would we expect to then be true then as a consequence of ETLE that wouldn't be true under the standard "brain sex" model?
Let's set the clinical and policy implications aside for a moment. You said "I don't think there is an experiment we can run to determine which is true", and I'm saying that the theories make different predictions: for example, ETLE has no problem explaining why so many trans women are lesbians (that's exactly what you would expect if most trans women are paraphilic males), whereas brain sex theories have a harder time.
Evidence for other putative ETLEs like furries or apotemnophilia makes it more plausible that ETLE is what's going on with most gynephilic trans women. (Why would these groups look so much alike along so many dimensions, but have completely different etiologies?)
Can you give me an example of a testable prediction that isn't something we already know? Or an example from the past where ETLE made a falsifiable prediction that was either proved or disproved by empirical research?
Was Blanchard aware of furries when he did his research? That might count.
Though I'm puzzled by why it is necessary to come up with something new.
It's easy to fit a theory to existing data. That doesn't mean the theory is true or useful.
I mean, I transitioned MtF at 31 and I'm posting on LessWrong. I'm not beating the allegations. lol. I called myself an AGP in my [substack linkpost](https://quinoam.substack.com/p/why-i-transitioned-a-response) because it's funny. I have no problem doing so.
Also, I can honestly say that I transitioned because my health was falling apart, I had a lot of repressed psychological desires to act and be more feminine, a lot of dysphoria over my body, and most important, taking estradiol dramatically improved my happiness and cognitive function.
The person I was at the start of transition-- he was more sexually gratified staying as a man.
Some MtFs do find AGP relatable and that doesn't bother me. But Blanchard/Bailey et al appear, to me, needlessly cruel, and deliberately inflammatory. That doesn't mean the theory is false. But circumstantially their behavior looks detrimental to truth-seeking.
So the predictive power of the theory better be really good for me to want to spend time on it.
I find the Gender Mosaic theory (cf Daphna Joel) to be the most plausible, but I see it as a Sex Mosaic where there are male-typical and female-typical neural wirings for different brain regions. It's very high-dimensional and the sex of each region can vary independently and (mostly) continuously based on the prenatal hormone wash. This easily explains the vast phenotypic variation in gendered behavior, and why it seems like we have every different possible combination of person.
The reason we don't see "male" or "female" brains with neuroimaging is that the vast majority of these regions are for general cognition (neocortex), where prenatal estrogen/androgen signaling does influence structure but not in ways that have any effect on subconscious sex. I expect the brain regions / wiring patterns that cause dysphoria are small. If we knew the connectomes for a bunch of trans people, I predict we could find them. The imaging tools we have now are extremely rudimentary.
All of this can coexist with ETLE, but again, as far as I know, ETLE doesn't have any mechanistic basis in neuroscience. So it's very uninteresting to me. If Blanchard actually predicted furries, then please link me to the source for that. What is surprising about furries is not the bestiality of it all (humans have been having sex with animals since the dawn of domestication), but the anthropomorphic cartoon aesthetic.
I am bit confused about this “trans eradication problem”.
Like, I can understand and respect anti-abortion position per se, but that doesn’t seem to be what you have in mind.
So, do you wish there to be more trans people? Why? Isn’t it the same as some deaf communities refusing cochlear implants for their children as to not lose “deaf culture”?
When I talk about "trans eradication" in the post I am speaking descriptively (not normatively) about other people.
I like "aim to explain rather than persuade" a lot. I tried really hard to keep my personal beliefs out of this essay, and stick to description only.
I just want to double check-- is your confusion about my personal normative belief, or about the feelings and beliefs of other trans people? Which are you curious about? It's important to keep these separate.
Personally, I think the question is impossible to answer in a coherent way without an ethical stance on bringing new sentience into the world, in general. And that is an extremely difficult problem. I'm working on it but I don't have a developed view on it yet.
I guess I am interested in both.
And I am also interested in a different hypothetical experiment: imagine a perfect genetic therapy that could fully change adults person sex, like growing true new reproductive organs, no need for hormonal supplements, etc.
Would this also be perceived as a threat? You know, in a way, if you can really truly perfectly change your sex, being trans doesn’t really mean anything anymore, or does it?
Being transgender is in some ways similar to an ethnicity or a culture. I think some of the intuitions about "eradication" are coming from the same place as for people who fear the end of their race, ethnicity, or culture. I think it's a tribal intuition that evolution engraved deeply into us. I've never been deaf so I can't really compare the two. I think it's extremely difficult to discuss productively without a general theory. Otherwise we'll be heavily biased by our priors on politics and whether we like deaf people, trans people, and so on.
imagine a perfect genetic therapy that could fully change adults person sex, like growing true new reproductive organs, no need for hormonal supplements, etc.
I'm sure some people would find it very threatening. "God doesn't make mistakes".
The thing is, I have a Y chromosome with an SRY gene. Even if we could make me XX in all my cells that wouldn't regrow my anatomy. (I don't know how it would affect my brain.) So there would have to be some kind of surgical step.
I would still consider this meaningfully "trans" since I would have the memories and experiences of living first in an XY body and then moving to an XX one. My brain would still have the neuroanatomy my confused XY genotype laid down during gestation. I doubt there would be a way to give me a "fully XX" brain without wiping out my identity.
But you're right that this would hopefully solve a lot of problems.
if you can really truly perfectly change your sex
That might not even be possible hypothetically. "Perfectly" changing sex would also change sex-related psychological properties. Interests would strongly change, especially along the things-vs-people axis, in which biological males are much more interested than biological females. So e.g. an MtF person who is strongly interested in LessWrong, math, programming, video games and sex, would, when "changed" into a biological woman, lose most of those male-typical interests. In which case it may no longer be possible to consider this the same person. Which would mean we didn't hypothetically change the sex of a person, but instead that we removed one person and created a different one.
Yes, women as a group tend to have on average more “feminine interests”. But there are many individual women who have “masculine interests“ and many men with “feminine interests”, so I don’t think that the theoretical perfect transition should require change of interests per se.
If the "perfect" transition doesn't include psychology, the result would still have the psychology of the original sex. That's not a perfect transition.
What does it even mean “psychology of the original sex”?
Seems to me like calling every male with height below 165cm of height trans, because he has below female average height.
There are countless physiological as well as psychological properties that form statistical family resemblance clusters for male and female. I already mentioned things-vs-people and interest in sex for male, but there are many others. Those clusters of properties are very unlikely to be significantly instantiated in the opposite sex, even if a few individual properties often deviate from the cluster. A "perfect" sex transition from male to female obviously wouldn't be perfect if the resulting individual still had a male-typical bone structure, muscle structure, face shape, etc, and the same holds for psychological properties.
In my view:
1. It is plausible that such treatments or screening would, at least initially, be more readily accessible to more affluent people, and thereby, being trans might become a stronger signal that someone is of low economic status than before.
2. A general sense that "this is a disappearing problem" might remove any incentive to work on reducing stigma faced by the still-existing trans people, providing them with better treatment, etc.
Sure, those problems are likely to be neutralized on a societal level by the fact that there will simply be less affected people left. But from the perspective of a single trans person, who obviously cannot benefit from PGT and might not be able to benefit from those treatments (e.g. if they only work during development), the personal net effect could easily be negative.
(To be clear, this is just my personal view and I haven't yet had any other trans person articulate it to me exactly like that. There are of course also other objections to consider against PGT-style interventions to remove certain phenotypes from society, but I don't think I have anything valuable to contribute there.)
Preimplantation Genetic Testing can in theory catch specific catastrophic mutations. Whether you are cis or trans, it is not good to have a stop codon at the wrong place in your estrogen receptor gene, full stop (literally). Ditto for the androgen receptor.
After digging into the (speculative) science on this, my personal view is that is that there is still a large biological component in E for most trans people. And being trans looks like a complex polygenic trait. GWAS has struggled to fully explain heritability https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/missing-heritability-much-more-than
So I think even in a "maximal eradication" scenario, eradication looks difficult to achieve. I am much more worried about health insurance coverage in the present. A lot of trans people are poor and basically unable to afford surgery without insurance.
That's true, yes. Eradication is probably very hard, if not impossible. But I was more talking about speculative future screenings whereby you'd compute some "risk score" as a function of the full genome, select over that, and thereby merely reduce the number of trans people. Of course, it is very much possible that selecting embryos to minimize one kind of "risk" would just increase the rates of other types of problems and reduce genetic variance well beyond "reducing trans people", so this kind of complex screening might not be worth it, either way, for any polygenic trait. It might not be possible to accurately predict the phenotypes of out-of-distribution genotypes at all, due to "computational irreducibility"-style dynamics. In the end, I don't think that's something that can be figured out on paper.
(Other traits for which stuff like this is being researched is autism and intelligence, and I think they serve as fairly good models. I think it's fair to say that both are at least similarly complex, and if successes were shown with either, doing the same for gender dysphoria might be possible, too. Both show some highly rudimentary progress. Enough that I personally would assign at least a small probability that this is tractable.)
I don't know if the point you're making in your last paragraph is "this is unlikely to happen anyway, so as trans people, let's not worry about it too much", or "this is unlikely to happen anyway, so as a society, let's reallocate efforts to more effective levers to reduce trans-related suffering". Could you clarify? I think I would tentatively agree on both, but on the second point I do think it is worth asking whether it would be better to have less (or more?) trans people than we have at present, especially as such research is likely to become easier and cheaper as technology progresses in general. You know, just in case it does become possible.
I don't know if the point you're making in your last paragraph is...
I don't speak at all for the trans community, nor do/would they listen to me. But I think the current genetic evidence is actually reassuring for those who worry about "trans genocide". Because it looks difficult to achieve.
I do think it would be best if trans activism focuses on trying to preserve healthcare access.
I don't intend to express an opinion on whether there "should be" more or fewer trans people born into this world. I don't think it's possible to have a productive conversation about this in public right now. If at all possible, it would be good to lower the political temperature on the issue.
Hello, different trans person replying here. (FtM, if it matters.)
I would be completely fine if there was some "trans gene" that was identified and eradicated, so as long as the already-living people who possessed them were not killed or otherwise infringed upon. Gender dysphoria has been nothing but a net-negative on my life. Being suicidal since the onset of puberty, paying for medicated perpetually, and being socially displaced (and not just due to prejudice; well-intentioned people will mistake your identity sometimes, and treat you differently than a normal person) are not positive experiences, nor have they led to any positive experience or insight I would have not arrived at otherwise. Nothing of value would be lost.
I would make the stronger preposition that any trans person who disagrees is either being disingenuous (likely for rhetorical reasons), is overpowered by emotions, or does not have gender dysphoria/is not transgender, but I'm not in a position to defend it.
Moreover, I believe my middle school social failures were caused as much by gender incongruence as by neurodivergence.
If I had to speculate, the social failures were also largely because the adults around you just didn't know how to help you; either with socializing, helping you to better understand and deal with the incongruence and neurodivergence. So while I'm sure there are medical and therapeutic solutions to be considered, we also just need better trained teachers, counselors, social workers, paraprofessionals, etc.
that's probably true in general. I just don't believe you can often rely on, like, school staff. Not enough context. Fwiw my middle school "health" / sex ed teacher said some stuff to me then than was very unhelpful. And she herself was queer! Not that she told us, but obvious 2000s lesbian, very short hair, piercings, etc.
I don't know, I mostly got pretty lucky with my parents. But there were a couple big things they handled badly when I tried to tell them about my depression. I've long since forgiven them. The fact remains that I was really depressed, and, honestly, needed some kind of medical intervention, better therapy if not gender medicine. I didn't want SSRIs but in hindsight they may have been better than nothing. If they didn't help at least that would be a data point.
I was floundering and had little will to live. This had long term repercussions. Dysregulated, procrastinated everything. Smart but bad grades, didn't get into a good college -> more social isolation in college, because I didn't fit in in the party atmosphere. I didn't actually start going to therapy regularly until 2021, though I realize now, looking back, it was something I needed. In college I used the 2 free sessions at the health center, but I had no money to continue beyond that, even though I wanted to.
I would love it if there were more funding for youth psychotherapy in the US. But when it comes time to vote for this, voters continue to not vote for it. So I have become a libertarian on gender medicine for similar reasons as most trans people. The problem with gatekeeping is less the gatekeeping itself but that in the US we have no money to pay for it.
This is way off topic, but my reaction to Haibane Renmei was "there are aliens kidnapping dying people, wiping their minds, and locking them in a walled city for some sort of psychological experiments". And around 95% of the show is consistent with that interpretation.
I don't see why you'd want to die, come back for a few months knowing nothing, without any existing friends and family, being subject to arbitrary social pressures to see how you'd react, and finally leave the city only to be dissected.
You owe nothing to nobody. Be yourself. Hormonal variance has lasted across milennia because we are cultural beings, our biological mandate is culture (nor reproduction alone) and trans (but also every other way of existence and expression) makes us all more, not less. You /are/, and that's enough.
If it makes you feel better, proper "men" and "women" are made to feel inadequate for the silliest stuff. There's no perfect form that everyone would respect. People who like to control like to control.
The truth is: if you are Christian, Gd makes no mistakes. If you are not, why do you even care how people live their lives?
You don't need scientific backing nor explaining to do.
Just be your beautiful self.
BTW trans people are around in most cultures, dating back as far as 6k years. What we know as "family" started taking shape like 500 years ago. Roman familia around 2200years old. Oikos 2500 years ago but it wasn't meant to be the only way to live, just one option.
Tradition is just something someone made up 50 years ago. Be free.
hi Laureana, thanks for the comment :)
I'm not sure how the piece reads because I tried to pare down most of my subjectivity and stick to objective description.
I didn't intend to give the impression that I feel bad about being trans. I don't anymore. I took a couple months to write it to try to make sure it wasn't coming from a place of defensiveness.
You don't need scientific backing nor explaining to do.
I disagree with this. Science is good. For me, knowing is freedom.
Science isn't knowing itself. It's just another form of knowledge. Also, I believe understanding is better, but thats just a personal preference. Be free without intermediaries.
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Fiora Sunshine's post, Why I Transitioned: A Case Study (the OP) articulates a valuable theory for why some MtFs transition.
If you are MtF and feel the post describes you, I believe you.
However, many statements from the post are wrong or overly broad.
My claims:
A. Biologically Transgender
In the OP, Fiora presents the "body-map theory" under the umbrella of "arcane neuro-psychological phenomena", and then dismisses medical theories because the body-map theory doesn't fit her friend group.
The body-map theory is a straw man for biological causation because there are significant sex differences between men and women that are (a) not learned and (b) not reducible to subconscious expectations about one's anatomy.
The easiest way to see this is CAH. To quote from Berenbaum and Beltz, 2021[1]:
The sex difference in people-vs-things interests (hobbies, occupations) has been discussed extensively in our community. CAH shifts females towards male-patterned interests with small effects on gender identity, without changes in anatomy.
This finding is also notable because it shows male-patterned interests and female gender identity can coexist, at least in natal females.
Twin Studies à la LLM
I'm trans so I have a motive to search for evidence that suggests I am ~biologically valid~ and not subject to some kind of psychosocial delusion. It would be easy for me to cherry-pick individual papers to support that view. I'm trying to not do that. I'm also not going to attempt a full literature review here. Luckily it is 2026, and we have a better option.
The ACE model from psychiatric genetics is a standard framework for decomposing the variance in a trait into 3 components:
A = Additive Genetics: cumulative effect of individual alleles
C = Common Environment: parents, schooling, SES, etc.
E = Nonshared Environment (+ error): randomness, idiosyncratic life events[2]
There are at least 9[3] primary twin studies on transgender identity or gender dysphoria. I created an LLM prompt[4] asking for a literature review with the goal of extracting signal, not just from the trans twin literature, but from other research that could help give us some plausible bounds on the strength of biological and social causation. Here are the results. The format is POINT_ESTIMATE, RANGE:
I'm moderately confident my prompt was not biased because the A values here are lower than what I've gotten from Claude when asking for heritability estimates from twin studies only. Also, all the models included some discussion of the rapid rise in adolescent cases in the 2010s, often mentioning "social contagion" and ROGD theories explicitly. All the models also pointed out that the ACE model is a simplification and that gene-environment interaction may be significant.
These are pretty wide error bars. But since A is trying to capture heredity only, we can take A as a rough lower bound for biological causation. Even if E is purely social, 38% is significant.
Also, none of this tells us how much variation there is at the individual level. And we have no trans GWAS.
The big question is whether E is dominated by social or biological factors.
If social factors mattered a lot I would expect parental attitudes to be significant in affecting transgender identity. But most studies find low C. This holds even for population-based studies that do not suffer from ascertainment bias. I would be surprised if peer influences were highly causal but parental influences were not.
I think the evidence from CAH, fraternal birth order effects, and animal models also provides good mechanistic reasons to think there are significant biological effects in E as well as A.
How do trans people view this line of research? They tend to hate it. They're afraid it will eventually lead to:
This is what I'll call "medical eradication": one half of the Double Bind.
B. The Trans Double Bind
The purpose of medicine is to improve health and reduce suffering.
In general, the state should not subsidize healthcare that does not increase QALYs. A rational healthcare system would ration care based on ranking all available treatments by QALYs saved per dollar, and funding all treatments above a cutoff determined by the budget.
The US healthcare system has a very creative interpretation of reality, but other countries like the UK at least attempt to do this.
To receive gender-affirming treatment, trans people must argue that such treatment alleviates suffering. This argument helped establish gender medicine in the 20th century.
But in fact, the claim "being transgender involves suffering and requires medical treatment" is very controversial within the trans community. This is surprising, because disputing this claim threatens to undermine access to trans healthcare.
Moreover, this controversy explains why trans people do not appear to accurately report their own motivations for transition.
Motivations to transition
There are three possible sources:
These can co-occur and interact.
Society at large recognizes only (1) as legitimate.
Trans people know this. They know they may be sent to psychotherapy, denied HRT, or judged illegitimate if they report wanting to transition for psychosocial reasons.
There is strong pressure for trans people to accept and endorse a biological/medical framing for their transitions.
But adopting this framing carries downsides:
This is the Double Bind: many trans people need medical treatment, but find the psychological threat of medicalization and eradication intolerable.
Consequently, they will not claim their transition is justified because of biology. However, they know that psychological and social justifications will also not be accepted. In this situation, platitudes like "I am a woman because I identify as one" are a predictable response to incentives. If you attempt to give a real answer, it will be used against you.
Maybe you are thinking:
Yes, good point. I need to explain another dynamic.
So far I've only discussed external incentives, but there is incentive pressure from within the trans community as well.
In the 2010s, the following happened:
Suddenly the trans community was fighting for a much broader set of constituents and demands. 20th century binary transsexualism coheres with medical framings, but 2010s Tumblr xenogenders do not. And trans people of all kinds have always had insecurities about their own validity-- both internal and external.
Here is the key insight:
It's difficult to enforce norms that protect external political perception.
It's easy to enforce norms that protect ingroup feelings.
Assume I've performed and posted some porn on the internet. This porn is optically really really bad. Like actually politically damaging. Conscientious trans people will attempt to punish my defection-- but this is difficult. I can cry "respectability politics!" and point to the history of trans sex work in the face of employment discrimination. No one can agree on a theory of change for politics, so it's hard to prove harm. When the political backlash hits, it affects everyone equally[7].
By contrast, assume instead that I'm in a trans community space and I've told someone their reasons for transition are not valid, and they should reconsider. I've just seriously hurt someone's feelings, totally killed the vibe, and I'll probably be asked to leave-- maybe shunned long-term[8]. I have just lost access to perhaps my only source of ingroup social support. This is a huge disincentive.
This structure, combined with the influx of novel identities in the 2010s, created an environment where it was taboo even to talk about causal theories for one's own transition, because it could be invalidating to someone else. All gender identities were valid at all times. Downstream effects of external social pressure, social media, and politics created an environment of collective ignorance where community norms discouraged investigating the causes of transition.
Introspective Clarity
This is the wrong interpretation of Natalie Wynn's oeuvre. See Appendix: Contra Fiora on Contra for why.
What would a legitimate explanation of the origins of one's gendered feelings look like?
Fiora never tells us her criteria. And the only example she gives us-- a psychosocial explanation of her own transition-- heavily implies that it was illegitimate.
But she's also dismissive of biological theories. Does that mean no transitions are valid?
I got whole genome sequencing last year. I can point at the sexual and endocrine abnormalities in my genome, but I certainly can't prove they justify my transition. Nevertheless, subjectively, HRT saved my life.
C. In the Case of Quinoa Marisa
(Extremely simplified for brevity)
In middle school, puberty started and my life fell apart. I hated my erections, my libido; I felt like a demon had taken over my brain. Unlike my peers, I never developed a felt sense of how to throw my body around. They got rougher, and better at sports. I got injured.
I was pathologically shy and awkward. Locker room talk was utterly repulsive to me. I lost friends and didn't care. Rurouni Kenshin was my first inspiration to grow my hair out. I am very lucky my parents let me.
There was an autistic kid on my soccer team with a speech impediment. He was good at soccer but the other boys would cruelly tease him at practice, in part because he didn't understand they were teasing him. One night after practice I spent the car ride home sobbing about it in front of my dad, who didn't get it at all. I quit soccer.
I was utterly miserable in school. In March of 7th grade, I developed real depression, and started thinking about suicide. Mom took me to two different psychologists. We decided I would homeschool 8th grade. Now, I really had no friends. I was still depressed.
At this point I was only living for WoW and anime. By far, my favorite was Haibane Renmei. It's 13 episodes of angel-girls living in a run-down boarding school and basically just taking care of each other. It is heavily implied that the Haibane are there-- in purgatory-- because they committed suicide in the real world, and must learn how to accept love and care.
It's difficult to explain how much this series resonated with me. It gave structure to feelings I couldn't articulate. I never believed there was any possibility of becoming a girl in real life, so I didn't fantasize much about that. But for a couple years I daydreamed frequently about dying and becoming a Haibane[9].
My hair was long enough at this point that I "passed". I was frequently assumed female in social situations, and men would often tell me I was in the wrong bathroom. I longed for delicate reciprocal care with others who somehow understood what I was going through, even though I could hardly understand it myself. Haibane Renmei showed me this but I had no idea how to find it in the real world.
At 16, boy puberty hit me like a truck. I became ugly. I still had no social skills, and no friends. I dressed like a hobo. The summer after junior year I confronted myself in the mirror and admitted I would never be cute again. I still desperately wanted to be loved, and I believed that the only path to achieving that was becoming a man girls would want to date. That meant improving my appearance and social skills.
I knew that women find weebs unattractive. And my long hair was definitely unattractive. It all melded together. I had no real-world outlet for my femininity so I'd poured it all into identifying with anime characters. And it all seemed like a dead end. I felt that if I stayed in the anime community I would end up socially stunted, since its social standards were lower. I cut my hair and stopped watching anime. I put a lot more effort into socializing.
In college, I read The Man Who Would Be Queen, self-diagnosed as AGP, and actually considered transition for the first time. But it was too late for me-- the sight of my face in the mirror, and the depictions of AGPs in the book were too horrifying. I resolved to never transition, and attempted suicide soon after.
7 months later I fell in love, and that relationship turned my life around. I loved her immeasurably for 5 years, and we lived together for 2 of those. I became, on the outside, socially and professionally actualized as a man. I was a great boyfriend and had no problem getting dates. After the breakup I fell in love 2 more times.
You already know how this ends. No amount of true love or social validation as a man could fix me. I never wanted to transition, but at 31 the strain of repression became unbearable. Things have turned out far better than I ever dared imagine. My parents have remarked on multiple occasions, unprompted, how much happier I am now. They're right.
Overall I fit Fiora's phenotype: I was a mentally ill social outcast weeb, desperately identifying with anime characters as a simulacrum of loving care I had no idea how to find in real life.
But I can't explain my eventual transition at 31 through anything other than a biological cause. I looked obsessively for evidence of some repressed or unconscious ulterior motive, and found none. I believed that transition would be very expensive and time-consuming, physically painful[10], reduce my attractiveness as a mate, and change my social possibilities. All of these predictions have born true. What I didn't expect is that HRT drastically improved my mental health even before the physical changes kicked in. My baseline now is my former 90th-percentile of calm and happiness.
I'm n=1 but this shows Fiora's phenotype can coexist with biologically rooted dysphoria. Moreover, I believe my middle school social failures were caused as much by gender incongruence as by neurodivergence. It's difficult to socialize when your puberty feels wrong and your social instincts don't match your assigned gender.
Maybe. Or a misaligned subconscious sex is part of what caused the social rejection in the first place.
Conclusion
As Fiora implied, "cuteness-maxxing" is probably not a good reason to transition.
Most people desperately want to be loved and this can cause mistakes with transition in both directions. Social media is probably bad for minors. We should emphasize that, at a fundamental level, trans people are neither more nor less lovable than cis people.
The human brain is perhaps the most complex object in our known universe, and we will likely never be able to fully disentangle psychosocial factors from biological ones. That said, I do think humanity will discover ever stronger evidence for biological causes of trans identity within our lifetimes.
Introspection is a noisy way to attempt to answer "am I trans?", and you hit diminishing returns fast. It's also the wrong question. The right question is "should I transition?". Transition is best understood as a Bayesian process where you take small behavioral steps[11] and update on whether your quality of life is improving.
If you start transitioning and your intrinsic health and happiness improves, and you expect the same to be true in the long run, continue. If not, desist. There is no shame in either outcome.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9186536/
For twins, prenatal environment shows up in both C and E.
Coolidge et al. (2002), Heylens et al. (2012), Karamanis et al. (2022), Conabere et al. (2025), Sasaki et al. (2016), Bailey et al. (2000), Burri et al. (2011), Diamond (2013), Buhrich et al. (1991).
If you just want to read a systematic review of these studies, see https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12494644/
I'm trying to understand the etiology of transgender identity, particularly the strength of the evidence base for different categories of potential causes. Please segment the analysis into five categories:
1. Hereditary/genetic factors
2. Prenatal environment (hormonal, epigenetic, maternal)
3. Postnatal biological environment (diet, medications, endocrine factors)
4. Family/microsocial environment
5. Macrosocial/cultural environment
For each category, conduct a rigorous literature review prioritizing meta-analyses, large-N studies, and methodologically sound designs. Identify the strongest evidence both supporting and contradicting causal contributions from that category. Flag studies with clear methodological limitations and discuss known publication biases in the field.
Focus primarily on gender dysphoria and transgender identity as defined in DSM-5/ICD-11, noting where studies conflate distinct constructs or onset patterns.
Conclude with a variance decomposition estimate using the ACE framework and liability threshold model standard in psychiatric genetics. Provide:
- Point estimates with plausible ranges for each component (A, C, E)
- Confidence ratings for each estimate based on evidence quantity and quality
- Explicit discussion of what each ACE component likely captures, mapped back to the five categories above
- Acknowledgment of confounds and unmeasurable factors
Include cross-cultural and temporal trend data as evidence bearing on the cultural/environmental components.
In general, in the US in the 20th century, if a medical institution decided they simply didn't want to treat trans patients, there would be no public outcry. The doctors and organizations that did treat us could set terms. Prior to the 2010s there was little awareness of trans people, and the awareness we had was often prejudicial. IBM fired Lynn Conway after all.
Some trans people (for example, Abigail Thorn and Andrea Long Chu) have attempted to argue that access to gender-affirming care should not be contingent on either (a) suffering prior to receiving treatment or (b) demonstrated therapeutic benefit for the treatment. These arguments were not well-received even within the trans community.
It took r/MtF until 2025 to ban porn, after years of infighting. https://www.reddit.com/r/MtF/comments/1kaxn18/alright_lets_talk_about_porn_and_porn_accounts/
This norm is not totally unreasonable. The purpose of community spaces is primarily social support for those early in transition, which can be difficult to find anywhere else. I went through this phase too.
Yes, this is perverse and contradicts the moral of the story.
Electrolysis is the most physically painful thing I've experienced. I've done 40 hours so far and will likely do 150-200 total.
Voice training, experimenting with name/pronouns/clothing, laser hair removal, HRT.