Utilitarianism Subreddit

by Tuxedage1 min read31st Jul 20128 comments


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Utilitarianism seems to be a common topic here. Many here are also familiar with Reddit.

I suggest checking out /r/utilitarianism and consider subscribing. That is all.

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[-][anonymous]9y 7

Is CEV really a form of utilitarianism?

I was thinking that too, but I suppose it has similar properties to a sort of ideal preference utilitarianism.

Did the post change? I don't see any mention of CEV.

I think that paper-machine is suggesting that utilitarianism isn't in fact a common topic here because (paper-machine alleges) many LessWrongers believe that CEV is the correct form of ethics and CEV is not a form of utilitarianism.

I don't think that CEV is commonly held on LessWrong to be the correct ethics, especially since it was originally introduced as a way to build an FAI, and not as a form of ethics at all. However, I might well hold CEV up as having the right kind of idea (combining preferences while allowing for change in beliefs). It isn't well specified enough to be a morallity.

As peter_hurford says, it is pretty close to preference utilitarianism.

EDIT: Wrong on all counts.

[-][anonymous]9y 2

The sidebar of /r/utilitarianism mentions CEV as a kind of utilitarianism.

Oscar_Cunningham is more or less incorrect in his guesses about me. I didn't allege that many LWers believe in CEV, I don't believe CEV is the correct form of ethics, and I didn't say anything about whether or not utilitarianism is a common topic on LW.

I don't even know if CEV is a kind of utilitarianism or not -- that's why I asked.

CEV is more of an algorithm that is supposed to produce the correct ethics. I guess some people here would argue that the product will necessarily be a consequentialist form of ethics.

[-][anonymous]9y 0

I don't think there's much use in distinguishing CEV from its results, as far as the "popular" usage of the term goes. Certainly the sidebar isn't using it in this sense.

I have yet to see an argument that CEV (or whatever CEV produces if you like) will be consequentialist; indeed, sometimes I have seen people argue that CEV will value certain abstract things almost as if they were virtues, e.g., fun.