mr-hire's Comments

Draconarius's Shortform

Yeah, the hotel being always half full no matter how many guests it has doesn't seem as cool.

Updated Hierarchy of Disagreement

Personally, I think the highest level of a disagreement is to transform it into a dialogue, and I'd like a guide to productive disagreements to include that (even if there was a seperate hierarchy for productive dialogues).  It seems like there's a crux here but I don't know what it is.

What would change your mind about including that as a level on the chart?

Do you think that:

  1. Actually, turning it into a dialogue is a separate move that's not more effective than steelmanning.
  2. People who saw the chart aren't ready to hear about turning a disagreement into a dialogue.
  3. It's dishonest to talk about dialogue on a chart that's about disagreement.
  4. Something else I'm not recognizing?
Updated Hierarchy of Disagreement

I think that some of the best online disagreements I've seen are when someone breaks out of the disagreement and just synthesizes the positions to be like "here's the complicated reality". I definitely don't think the hierarchy of disagreement as it stands now is about putting forth that best reasonable case, it's about refuting points.

I agree that it the name of the hierarchy may have to be changed to get to the most important levels, but if you're trying to raise the standard of discourse you may want that? 

Or if you want to raise the standard of discourse it may in fact make sense to call it the hierarchy of disagreement, but actually have the highest levels he about true truthseeking, as a useful headfake.

Updated Hierarchy of Disagreement

Surely there should be a level for "changing your mind" or "putting forth the most reasonable case given all available evidence." As it as the top level goal is still about winning and not about truth-seeking.

Raemon's Scratchpad

I hosted an online-party using zoom breakout rooms a few weeks ago and ran into similar problems.

Half-way through the party I noticed people were clustering in suboptimal size conversations and bringing high-context conversations to a stop, so I actually brought everybody backed to the lobby then randomly assigned them to groups of 2 or 3 - and when I checked 10 minutes later everyone was in the same two rooms again with groups of 8 - 10 people.

AFAICT this was status/feelings driven - there were a few people at the party who were either existing high-status to the participants, or who were very charismatic, and everyone wanted to be in the same conversation as them.

I think norm-setting around this is very hard, because it's natural to want to be around high-status and charismatic people, and it's also natural to want to participate in a conversation you're listening to.

I'm going to try to add your suggestions to the top of the shared google doc next time I host one of these and see how it goes.

What are objects that have made your life better?

A battery-case for my phone. Even though I have one for the pixel 3A, and it makes my phone noticeably more bulky due to the placement of the fingerprint reader, NEVER having to worry about recharging my phone except at night makes my day noticeably less stressful. Also noticeably less stressful than having to plug into an external battery pack which requires me being stationary.

A mobi-handle to attach to my phone. Can help me hold the phone, and I prop it up next to my work area when using it as a Pomodoro Timer, both more durable and aesthetic than a pop-socket.

Its' implicit in the previous two but... a smartphone. These get a bad rap for ruining people and their attention span but if you use them correctly and mindfully they are like the most amazing thing in the world.

A Kindle Paperwhite. Being able to save highlights, carry hundreds of books, and read in the dark is amazing. Probably one of my favorite possessions.

Noise cancelling headphones are great and really enhance flow.

If you cook a lot - A voice activated assistant in the kitchen to change music and set timers. I use an Echo Dot, which is relatively cheap.

Also if you cook a lot: A nice, labeled spice rack with a full array of spices makes things SOO much more fun than a jam-packed spice cabinet.

Keeping a BakBlade in my shower has ensured that my back doesn't become an unruly forest.

I have a plethora of objects on hand to deal with tightness and knots. Having a bag of them closeby when I work probably gives me an extra 30 minutes of productive work daily.

In the same vein, I keep a back scratcher by where I work.

Really long charger cables, preferably with multiple charger types at the end. Not as important now that I have a phone battery-case, but still nice to have for guests.

What are objects that have made your life better?

If one is looking for a great phone timer that also does the "tell how much time is left at a glance", I recommend Clockwork Tomato for android. It has tasker support to, so I set it to block network access to most apps, as well as most of the apps themselves, while on a work period.

A Problem With Patternism

I agree that it would be useful to have an objective measure of identity, as it would be useful to have an objective measure of morality... But alas I fear both of those fall prey to the is-ought dilemma

A Problem With Patternism

Ohhh, so now you're talking about OBJECTIVELY quantifying patterns. Now we're getting somewhere.

Is there a reason that you think ways of measuring identity should be objective?

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