If someone organizes a charity to gather 50,000 USD to save a kid from a rare disease, I'm all for it. Even though that same amount could help or save a few people if invested more effectively. Screw effectiveness! A life is priceless!

I am not a fan of utilitarism at all. I don't care about arithmetically maximizing a well-being formula. These are human beings we're talking about.

But when the amount is as huge as 2 million USD... I start feeling like a threshold has been crossed. I feel like instead of saving a single kid, that money could save hundreds or thousands of lives, and I wonder why that kid is worth so many deaths.

It's like the trolley problem with 1 rare-disease-kid in one track, and hundreds of innocents in the other track. And everybody around me is choosing to save the child. And I can empathize with their choice, but it makes me feel uneasy.

Of course I don't oppose this specific charity. If saving my son's life costed 2 million, I would disregard these feelings and start campaining right away.

But from an outsider's perspective, I feel weird about it. And I have a hard time articulating why. Can someone help me understand what I'm feeling?

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The magnitudes are much smaller on both sides of a recent situation. My father died three weeks ago. The family somehow ended up spending over 40K on death expenses (funeral, mausoleum slot, flowers, etc). My mom ended up spending six hundred and fifty dollars on a single rose arrangement in the shape of a big heart. The time to convince my family of effective altruism is not right after my father died. But I found spending so much money on a dead man, or more charitably expensive rites for the living, horrifying to see up close. Six hundred and fifty dollars is around the average monthly salary in Kenya. We could have really helped someone out sending that money overseas. Never mind what forty thousand dollars could have been used for.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

I do agree with your view on the ineffectiveness of spending a lot of money on a dead person.

However... I think people find meaning from a wide range of things, and rituals around birth and death are two big ones since the origins of humankind itself. So in a sense, I can empathize with your family spending so much money. It seems to mean something to them.

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Weirder or less weird about this than about other things people do with their money?  Seems better than going on vacation or owning fancier houses, which are things nobody bats an eye at.

Is the conflict about how much social credit you give the donors for being generous, but inefficient?  You want to appreciate the generosity while bemoaning the inefficiency. Sounds like you are, at least a bit, Utilitarian in that.

I personally focus on the generosity - doing something uncoerced to help someone, at some cost to oneself, is laudable.  Yay them!   There are certainly some ineffeciencies and side-effects that would make the consequences negative or zero, and this would make me less supportive, of course.  But that doesn't apply here - I recognize that it's complicated what the actual effects are.  The $2M isn't being burned to keep the kid alive, it's going to fund professionals, equipment, and systems which will save the kid, but also be in place to save more kids and generally get better at saving people.

Should've clarified: The $2M is, indeed, being burned, in the sense that it's for developing a customized genetic treatment.

That being said, your point still applies: Presumably each person who purchases this treatment is contributing to some technological polishing and helping eventually make this cheaper. Presumably!

It's worth noting here that 2 million USD is less then the price that economists usually use to decide whether policies that save first-world lives are desirable where a consensus number for a life is around 7 million USD

It's easier to save third-world lives then that but there's a lot of things compared to which saving third-world lives seems more effective. 

Well, there is chance that a part of your brain tries to answer "how much is a stranger's kid's life worth?" and returns a number between $50K and $2M. The specific number is censored from the rest of your brain, because thinking of any specific number would make you feel bad.

Thinking about smaller numbers makes you feel "definitely worth it", to which the PR module of your brain attaches "because human life is sacred". Thinking about larger numbers makes you feel "nope", and the PR module searches for a plausible excuse (such as "this is probably a scam"). In both cases, the PR module tries to deny that the actual decision method was comparing two numbers.

However, you are smart enough to realize that all excuses against $2M apply also to $50K. It would be nice if an external authority could tell you what is the correct number, but you are familiar with effective altruism and believe that for $50K you could save more than one life. So you cannot use this specific authority to support your feelings.

I would guess that with small differences in budjet there could be doubt whether all the money goes into saving. With a big budjet redirected to smaller projects even if the small projects would be top 10% inefficient in the saving in money they would probably be more saved lifes. Not being able to name the factors that delineate whether or not to redirect is probably the source of the funny feelings. Even if people argue and had different opinons of where the line goes if everybody firmly understands their own stance such feelings don't arise. Like the saying "if it is too good to be true it probably isn't" this is a scenario of "if it is too insistent then it is a chooser rather than a begger "