"if a investor doesn't review a proposal, we assume that they are submitting an unconditional sell bid." Of ALL of their shares, at any price? Seems a way to force a sale at a low price.
Also call markets don't aggregate info as well as continuous double auctions, and you aren't offering any incentives to find and add info.
"if a investor doesn't review a proposal, we assume that they are submitting an unconditional sell bid." Of ALL of their shares, at any price?
Yes!
Seems a way to force a sale at a low price.
This only happens if the all the proposals have a low price, including the "Change Nothing" proposal. The hope is that at least one proposal will be valued at at least the true current value of the company. The "Interaction with a stock market" section even includes a mechanism to force the winning proposal value and the price on the stock market to match.
More abstractly, here's an argument that if a group of actors could force a shareholder to sell at a low price under my sealed-bid formulation, they could do a similar amount of damage to that shareholder in a standard futarchy. They would have to suppress the value of every proposal. To do so, they must themselves be shareholders (so they can submit sell bids) and convince people not to submit buy bids. This is extremely difficult and costly. But if they are power enough to control the bids in this way, then in the standard futarchy they could force through a proposal that gives away all of the value of the company.
I think if the entire market (buyers and sellers) was super lazy, this might happen by default. If this laziness is a problem, I think there are ways to modify the convention (or even let each market participant set their own convention). Overall, I think this risk is still worth the benefit of being able to accept unlimited bids!
Also call markets don't aggregate info as well as continuous double auctions, and you aren't offering any incentives to find and add info.
Yes, this mechanism does sacrifice some info-gathering abilities. This is the trade-off of not adding liquidity. Two responses to that!
The short one: the currently existing stock market does well enough of without adding liquidity, because people hedging add liquidity for free. This effect will be present for this system as well. For example, if an investor Sylvester's portfolio has a lot of chemical manufacturing companies, and a futarchy proposal directs ACME to start manufacturing chemicals, than Sylvester will undervalue the proposal slightly since it increases the risk of his portfolio. These myriad of small price differences between investors gives free liquidity.
The long, more interestingly one: you can add back in the incentives from the standard futarchy into the sealed-bid futarchy, and I think this has unique advantages over the standard futarchy!
Your Futarchy Liquidity Details post details how to turn money into information, but you also seem to indicate you are not confident in the robustness of the system. On the other hand, my system does not incentive information gathering, but is robust enough that even a shareholder with 999,999 shares cannot scam a shareholder with only 1! How do we combine these?
We can combine these systems into one where, if someone manipulates the prediction market, only their prediction market counterparts suffer and the futarchy participants do not!
Here is the combined system: When ACME is founded, their starting policy is to send, say, $1000 a week to a prediction market to provide liquidity for markets predicting the values of their proposals. (The sealed-bid futarchy can change this policy at any of time.) The prediction market, in turn, will arbitrage between their prediction contracts and the sealed-bid futarchy. If they do things poorly and get manipulated, participants of the prediction market will get scammed, but the futarchy will still be robust. If a foolish proposal C is gaining traction, all of the current investors can put in sell-bids. C can only pass if its price is higher than any reasonable proposal, so the investors are happy selling. When the prediction market is operating properly, however, it incentives people to collect valuable information about the value of the futarchy proposals, and this information flows to the futarchy thanks to the arbitrage.
Essentially, the sealed-bid futarchy is a robust, simplistic core that investors can trust, and the conditional prediction market is a turbo-boost on top for gathering information.
Moreover, the futarchy doesn't need to be tied to one prediction market. They could choose to start sending funds to other prediction markets, each employing different liquidity strategies. In particular, they would do so if the added information from that market is worth the money they would pay to that prediction market.
So, the sealed-bid futarchy + prediction market is very similar to the standard futarchy, but with a wall of robustness separating the investors from the "games" the predictors use against each other.
The clearest example anyone has given of futarchy is markets to replace the CEO if doing so leads to greater profit for the company. But I'd rather have the CEO replaced if doing so leads to greater probability they'll give LessWrong all of the money that'd otherwise be profits. These two options seem anti-correlated, so it's not clear why we should support futarchy (unless futarchy advocates start advocating for markets that help direct money to LessWrong).
I think market mechanisms in general are an interesting example of group rationality, and thus worthy of study even if we do not advocate for them directly.
For example, here is how studying futarchy could indirectly benefit LessWrong. We could simulate a barter market for impact certificates on posts, so we could retroactively incentivise people to write good posts. And this simulated economy could have simulated futarchy hedge funds in it to make it more efficient.
We don't know ahead of time the qualitative way in which people will later make impactful posts, so this can't actually focus on rewarding the posts that would naturally be impactful. Instead it will encourage people to assume that others have good reason for their judgement even if they can't figure out what those reasons are.
Futarchy is usually formulated using multiple continuously running markets, which raises questions about how to introduce liquidity, when to introduce it, and who will do so. Robin Hanson (the inventor of futarchy) recently proposed how to handle some of these details, but they seemed to me a bit inelegant. I instead propose reformulating it to use a sealed-bid auction with no liquidity added. I will only be covering the joint-stock company version of futarchy, not the government policy version, which I'm not sure how my proposal would generalize to. The joint-stock company version is relevant to effective altruism as a possible component of a market for altruism.
Consider a hypothetical joint-stock company named The ACME Corporation with one million shares.
Once a month, the public can submit proposals. A proposal can either be:
For example, let us consider proposals A, B, C, and "Change Nothing".
The next step is that people submit sealed bids. There are two types: buy bids and sell bids.
Any member of the public (including current investors if they wish to increase their investment) can submit a buy bid, conditioned on a given proposal passing. The bid contains a maximum price and a number of shares.
Note that first they must put money in escrow. They can submit multiple bids. For any given proposal, the total amount they bid on that proposal must not exceed the amount in escrow. However, the total amount of bids across different proposals is unbounded, since only one proposal can pass. So if a buyer has $10 in escrow, they could bid up to $10 on A, and up to $10 on B, and up to $10 on C, and up to $10 on "Change Nothing".
Each current investor can, for each proposal that they dislike, submit a sell bid. The bid contains the number of shares they wish to sell, as well as optionally the minimum price they would sell for.
For each proposal, the total amount of shares being bid for sale must not exceed the number of shares they own. However, the total amount of bids across different proposals is unbounded, since only one proposal can pass. So if a current investor has 5 shares in escrow, they could bid up to sell up to 5 shares on A, and up to 5 shares on B, and up to 5 shares on C, and up to 5 shares on "Change Nothing".
After everyone has submitted their bids, we go through each proposal and calculate the price that would clear the market for the bids conditioned on that proposal, as in a double auction. This price is known as the proposal value. The proposal with the highest value is called the winning proposal.
All bids associated with proposals other than the winning proposal are immediately voided (whether they should be published or not is a detail I have not thought about). All the bids conditioned on the "winning proposal" are treated as live bids, and trades are executed at the proposal value according to the double auction we simulated for it. Then the winning proposal is implemented. (For the "replace CEO" this means that the proposed CEO is now legally considered the CEO. For "company directive" it just means that the employees should begin following it and the CEO should enforce it.)
Normally in futarchy, with the continuously running market, we are also predicting which proposal will succeed, unconditionally. We skip this step: the proposal values represent conditional prices, conditioned on the proposal. We never bother predicting things unconditionally.
How do we determine who can submit proposals?
In past formulations of futarchy I have read, there was a need to limit the number of proposals submitted due to the limited liquidity.
As currently described, allowing unlimited proposals would be problematic: if there are too many proposals for the investors to review, there could be proposals such as "burn down ACME" or "ACME gives all their money to the proposer" that no investor issues a sell bid for (since they didn't have time to review it). Then that proposer submits a bid to buy 1/X shares for $X, where X is in arbitrarily large number. They only need to put $1 in escrow, but the proposal value is then $X.
To fix this, we just add a simple convention: if a investor doesn't review a proposal, we assume that they are submitting an unconditional sell bid. For the proposer to force their bid through, instead of 1/X shares, they must instead submit a bid for one million shares and have $X million in escrow. If their proposal wins, they are essentially buying the entire company, and thus can do what they please with it.
If there are a large number of proposals, the investors would just review the most promising (or at least serious) ones, which they would learn about via a coffeehouse or similar mechanism.
Although not strictly necessary, as a bonus we can consider a mechanism where proposals can automatically raise funds for the company. Indeed, this leads to the idea of self-fundraising: if the proposal directs the company to do a project that requires extra capital, instead of directing to first raise capital the proposal can itself raise it!
A fundraising proposal is like a normal proposal, except it also includes a "funding required" amount. For example, let's say that proposal C says to buy a warehouse. The proposer could add to the proposal "funding required: 2 million dollars".
Then when calculating the proposal value, we include the company itself as a seller. Its bid is a bit special: instead of selling a certain number of shares, the bid says to sell a number of shares worth 2 million dollars. This changes the calculation a little but it is still easy to find a market clearing price with a bid like this.
If the proposal wins, new shares get issued, diluting equity, but the company receives 2 million dollars directly from the buyers.
The main advantage of futarchy for joint-stock companies is to eliminate shareholder oppression. Let's observe how this works with this formulation.
Let's start with the opposite problem. If the shareholders were perfectly in unison about a proposal, could an outsider force the company to do something different?
The answer is no, because the shareholders can use the following strategy: they agree to not submit any sell bids on their favored proposal, and then one of them submits a bid to buy an additional 1/X shares for $X, where X is in arbitrarily large number. This only requires $1 in escrow but makes the proposal value $X.
Let's say the majority shareholders has a proposal A that the market thinks is worth $100 million, but a shareholder named Lola with just a single share came up with a proposal B that is estimated to be worth $500 million. Lola claims that the majority prefer A because of conflicts of interest. The majority claim that B is just a bad idea. How do we resolve this?
Well, the question comes down to this: does the majority with the 999,999 shares believe that proposal A is worth more or less than $500 million?
(In practice the majority shareholders will both be putting sell bids on B and some buy bids on A.)
Technically, with this system we do not require a separate stock market. The system itself functions as a stock market! To buy a shared, just submit a buy bid on every proposal. To sell one, sell on every proposal.
Nevertheless, if a separate stock market does exist, here is an interesting way we can interact with it.
When calculating the proposal values, we consider every buy bid on the stock market to be a buy bid on every proposal in the futarchy, and every sell bid on the stock market to be a sell bid on every proposal in the futarchy. When a proposal passes, we actually trade with the stock market as we fulfill all the bids.
This ensures that the proposal value isn't just the predicted price. It becomes the actual price after the proposal is selected, because we actually buy and sell with the stock market to force the price to match.
Let's say some third-party finds a source of liquidity and sets up a prediction market for predicting which proposal will succeed. They could setup the following service:
If a forecaster named Elmer has a prediction contract paying $1 if proposal C wins, the prediction market can offer Elmer the following deal: it can place $1 worth of buy bids conditional on C on his behalf. If C wins, they will use his prediction contract winnings to pay for the bid.
In theory this could offer unlikely proposals a lot of leverage. If the prediction market says that C only has a 1% chance of winning, folks favoring C can pay $1 and put $100 worth of buy bids on C. Then if C wins, those folks both get the satisfaction of their proposal winning and they got shares in the company at a huge discount! But something seems fishy, isn't this bad overall? What if C is foolish (which is why it had so low a probability to begin with)?
Well, kind of, but it is not the futarchy's problem. The only way this works is if Elmer can find a counterparty to take the otherside of the bid. If C is foolish, we can expect that most of the investors put sell bids in.
So the counterparty paid the current investors a good price to give the company to Elmer, who then ruins with his foolish proposal C. In particular, the price must be higher the proposal value of any other proposal, or C wouldn't be the winner. So the prediction market participants are the losers, and the investors make out fine!
Of course, if the prediction market is functioning well it will not be so foolish, and will likely actually benefit the futarchy with free information. But if the prediction market is poorly functioning for whatever reason, our futarchy mechanism still does its job!
Although I hope the above arguments show why this system works, there still appears to be a paradox. How can something like this work without liquidity when futarchy usually requires such? Have we created some sort of "perpetual motion machine", with the problem subtly hidden?
I don't think so. Let's first review why stock markets are more popular than prediction markets. When a business owner owns a business, they hold a lot of financial risk. Being risk-averse, it benefits him to decrease this risk. Selling the company on a stock market decreases his risk, and spreads it across my participants.
A prediction market, on the other hand, creates risk out of thin air for both parties. So we need to "bribe" them with liquidity to get them to participate in the first place.
Normal futarchy also has this problem, but it is not necessary. In the sealed-bid formulation, we carefully removed the need for risk creation mechanisms. Risk is moved around but not created. Thus, we don't need to incentive people to participate.