I agree with you on the value on schmoozing. Alas, I think it's going to be hard to convince many LessWrong readers of the value. Many see it as not merely some annoying thing, but as actively evil, a source of badness in the world. True, I think they take this view because they don't understand it and are unskilled at it, so on their current values it's clearly negative, even if they would perhaps change their mind if they understood its function better, were better at doing it, and more saw the benefits of schmoozing personally.
I'm not really sure how to fix this, but thank you for thinking and writing about it!
>Write up notes on particularly interesting meetup discussions, and add those to a shared archive.
Couldn't this just be a tag here on lesswrong?
>Create an online platform for community members to asynchronously develop ideas discussed at meetups into long-form writings.
If you assume there's a primary author of such a writing, isn't lesswrong's draft-sharing function already good enough?
Couldn't this just be a tag here on lesswrong?
It could be, but for whatever reason it isn't. I suppose I should heed my own advice and create it? (I only now realized I'm able to do that.) There you go: https://www.lesswrong.com/w/meetup-writeups
But this doesn't help with local discoverability unless there's also a specific tag for each individual meetup group, and I'm not sure I'm ready to be the one to open those floodgates myself. Also, writing up notes that are up to the quality standards of LW articles is a lot of work. It's much easier to write down brief bullet points, but these may be not-very-useful to people who aren't part of the local community that produced them.
If you assume there's a primary author of such a writing, isn't lesswrong's draft-sharing function already good enough?
Not sure what you mean by this; can you elaborate?
Not quite the same thing, but you may find meetups in a box of interest. (I'm tickled by your list of action items - I run East Coast Rationalist Megameetup and the Rationality Meetups discord, and all three had more energy put into them when I had more energy for Rationalist meetup maching.)
[Part of Organizational Cultures sequence]
Returning again to Bowling Alone after our previous discussion, we have Putnam describing the distinction between machers ("makers") and schmoozers:
"Schmoozing" has a somewhat negative connotation in English - implying some amount of insincerity, obsequiousness, etc. - but Putnam intends no such implication. He also does not suggest that either one is better than the other - rather he says both are important, and both are declining, to the detriment of our society. So, is it maching that enables schmoozing, or is it the other way around? Putnam seems to think it goes both ways (see chapter 9).
Vos machst du?
However, in the cultural context I currently find myself in, I get the sense that the maching→schmoozing flow is the more load-bearing of the two. Others here have echoed that sentiment (1, 2). I suppose it's because we LessWrong readers tend to be highly-mobile urban professionals who don't have a well-established preexisting community to fall back on, and so opportunities for schmoozing will simply not exist unless someone "machs" them.
Now certainly I would not encourage anyone to take this to the extreme. All maching and no schmoozing makes Jack a
dullsocially-maladjusted boy.On the other hand though, lately I've been positively swimming in schmooze. As social capital, this is not worth nothing, but it does get old after a while. There are only so many late-night parties I can go to before I find myself tediously rehashing the same stories and jokes. And in terms of social capital, a schmoozefest only really benefits the people directly involved, and only for a fleeting moment before their memories fade. Maching, by contrast, is the gift that keeps on giving. If done well, it can work to the benefit of people who may never meet you and never know of your existence, but who come along later and appreciate the thing that you have (ahem) gemacht.
But if you want to mach things with that kind of staying power, having a guild structure is a prerequisite - or at least a big help. This is because, firstly, people are unlikely to step up and contribute to a group effort unless they have some ownership stake in the result - just as home-renters have much less reason to devote their blood-sweat-and-tears into home improvements than do home-owners. And secondly, ambitious community-building projects can only hope to transcend the particular individuals involved if there is some kind of institutional memory - and this requires having an "institution" in the first place.
For example, here are some machings a medium-sized LessWrong group might attempt, in ascending order of ambition:
Maching a schmoozefest
That all being said, however, let me pivot to a defense of schmoozing - not as social capital, but as something else.
In relation to the rationality community, I used to be a maching-maximalist. I was of the opinion that all the schmoozing in the community was at best an entertaining diversion, and at worst a distraction from the community's mission - and I offended a number of people by saying this.
What changed my mind about this was my evolving understanding of what the rationality community is. This, in turn, was borne of my vain attempts to draw up a "creed of rationality" akin to those variously adopted by Christian denominations. I started a group within the community which I called the "Philosophy Working Group" because I imagined that the group would meet a few times, figure out the correct "rationalist" stance on every issue, write up a document summarizing its findings, and then swiftly disband. Needless to say, that was not how it went. Instead, even the most banal philosophical propositions would be met with some kind of "well actually..." response. But the ensuing debates were far from fruitless or unenlightening; I came away from those conversations with my mind having been broadened to consider different perspectives that I would never have come up with myself. It's just that what I learned was something that is not easily distilled into a concise written document. I suppose you had to be there.
So, schmoozing is not pointless, and it is not separable from the rationalist intellectual project. In actual practice, rationality is not a set of beliefs, but a mode of discourse. When you're talking to someone, the fact that they're a LessWrong-style rationalist is immediately evident from the way they approach the conversation - a certain set of concepts and memes, epistemic habits, methods of getting at the crux of the issue, and various other quirks that people can try to define but which we largely need to learn-by-doing.
(Joke I read somewhere: What is the definition of a "rationalist"? Base case: Eliezer Yudkowsky is a rationalist. Inductive case: Anyone who gets into arguments with a rationalist is a rationalist.)
In other words, rationality is a language. We employ it because we believe it will help us along the way in figuring out what is true and how best to achieve some nebulous notion of "the good" - even if we can't agree on what that is. But like any language, one cannot learn it solely from textbooks; one must have conversation partners. For this we need schmoozing, and we need people to mach it happen.