I'm having trouble believing this. OOH, it's fine that people should be able to do their time for past crimes and return to good standing in society. OTOH you're putting someone who defrauded her principals of billions of dollars in charge of other people's money? I don't want her anywhere near that, ever.
Seriously, this destroys my remaining trust in EA as a whole. On the ACX survey we just had, I "sorta" identified as an EA. It'll be a clear "no" next time.
Seriously, this destroys my remaining trust in EA as a whole.
On the EA Forum crosspost, people near-unanimously oppose this decision. The post has 3 agree-votes and 23 disagree-votes; the critical top comment has 42 agree-votes and 3 disagree-votes.
It's much less unanimous in the Substack comments.
Judging by the lack of reaction over here (and a few supportive commenters in Substack I recognize to be from the bay area), I'd say that LW is supportive or indifferent to the hire, whereas EA is a lot more visibly opposed. I also expect this difference not be noticed by media coverage.
I wish to register that:
Fair, I'm happy to symbolically retract this remark and its implications. Strong agree on 2 and 3, reflectively.
Thanks for the link, that is good to see.
I feel deep sympathy for people who just want to do good and get caught up in this kind of politics. But this is the reality of working under a shared "brand". A random bystander like me can't possibly put in the time to carefully sift apart all the different organizations that make up EA. I judge the thing as a whole.
Let me narrow my previous statement: This destroys my trust in Manifund, and transitively in anyone who associates with them. If we don't get a clear majority of EA orgs and leaders explicitly distancing themselves, then my trust in EA as a whole will be destroyed.
Austin: I’m happy to announce that Caroline Ellison has accepted a role at Manifund, to develop our funding platform and research how to effectively direct philanthropic dollars.
In fact, she started a work trial on July 13, which converted to a fulltime role on Aug 10. Over the past two months, she’s been publishing her work and supporting Manifund users under the pseudonym “Carol”.
How did I come to consider this at all?
Why did I hire Caroline for Manifund?
Manifund strives to be unusually transparent. And so, I apologize for our minor deception, in using a pseudonym over the last couple months. I still endorse having done this — I think it’s relatively common to work with people pseudonymously, when their real identity is famous. But I want to call out that we compromised on transparency here, which I do not take lightly.
I understand that some of our users, donors, and partners may now be skittish about working with Manifund, given this announcement. I appreciate any trust you are willing to extend, and ask that you judge us by our historical and future outputs. You (or your LLM) can take a look at Manifund’s source code, underlying data, finances and research; if you wish, you can see Caroline’s specific code commits and comments on Manifund.
I’m happy to take questions, over public comments or emailed to austin@manifund.org. (I can’t promise I’ll be able to reply to every one.) In the meantime, I’d like to ask Caroline to say a few words.
Caroline: I’ve said a lot about what I did wrong at Alameda/FTX—you can read what I said at my plea, during trial, and remarks at sentencing. I’m deeply sorry for what I did, and I completely understand why people may not want to work with me. But I’m very grateful to Austin for giving me a second chance, and judging me on my current work performance rather than my past. I feel very lucky not only to have a job, but to be working somewhere that I think is doing great work and has a mission I believe in.
When I started my work trial, unsure if I’d get a full-time offer at the end, I didn’t want to go through a public announcement just to potentially be let go a month later. But now that I’ve accepted a full-time offer at Manifund, I want to be upfront about it.
I’m excited to continue improving our technical infrastructure, working on operations and customer support, and posting updates on our newsletter.
I probably won’t reply to comments on this post—sorry.