Thanks for the tips; they sound useful, but also, the general vibe of what you describe is so viscerally repulsive to me that I can't bring myself to appreciate the usefulness of your post.
Earnest first reaction, is that this sounds like an environment that it would be actively self-harmful to optimise yourself towards, and a cognitive hazard to feed into your unconscious self assessment.
Actually no, that's not quite true. My first reaction, because it was a reaction to an earlier part of your post, was that there's something incoherent about wanting to attract attention while also being embarrassed to post a link.
If anything I am more confident now than I was before. Being afraid to put yourself out there, being uncomfortable being seen, that's not so healthy I think. But if you have self-esteem issues, I would probably recommend against posting on TikTok or even using TikTok.
I would like my videos to gain attention at the object level, and I am comfortable with that (though I am more interested in learning how to gain attention rather than in the attention itself: I do not want to become a famous TikToker). I would not care for a bunch of meta-level attention from LessWrongers picking through my videos with exacting fervor, looking to contradict or nitpick what I've written.
I would love to see a rationalist master the dark arts of TikToking.
I don't think I have the stamina or talent to be that person, but I think it would be immensely helpful to the cause of AI safety if someone who actually understood the issue were to get a big public platform. I also think the issue has the potential to be immensely saleable: it is both extremely exciting and extremely scary. It also happens to have the best grounding to become avant-garde and counterculture, because it happens to be highly convincing and therefore a great candidate for putting you ahead of the curve of being interested in the hit new thing before it hits mainstream.
Someone, or rather a lot of someones, are going to capitalize on this. And I hope that some of them are rationalists who actually understand the issues.
I think the TikTok comment section has degraded over the years. I used to find the comments joyful and funny. Eugene Wei wrote an excellent three-part series of articles on TikTok in 2020. In one of them, he says:
I can't remember the last time I watched a good TikTok video without then opening up the comments to see what the peanut gallery came up with. Sometimes I read the comments before even finishing the video. TikTok's method of ranking comments almost always surfaces the best and most relevant comments to the top. However you feel about a video, it's uncanny how often one of the top five comments encapsulates it perfectly.
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TikTok comments, though, feel like they extend the canvas of the video… it feels as if the TikTok experience is about… the comments.
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Never read the comments. Unless you're on TikTok, in which case, always read the comments.
His articles convinced me to start using TikTok, and when I did, in 2021, I agreed with him. The comments were great. Like he says, one of the top five comments often encapsulated your feelings perfectly. Also, they were quite funny. Now all I can say is that one of the top five comments is often something negative. When someone is being lighthearted or funny, it’s often with a dancing gif, not text.
I have never seen TikTok. Please explain to me: do you somehow directly make money if your videos get sufficiently popular?
Or is the typical motivation on TikTok just general attention seeking, sharing propaganda, and making money indirectly e.g. by promoting your / someone else's brand in your videos?
You do make money directly if your videos get popular enough (you need at least 10,000 followers for that). I think this is the smaller income source for content creators compared to brand deals, selling products or services, or whatever else.
I think the most common motivation for rationalists would be to get access to a large audience where they can share stuff about AI safety, which was the motivation behind plzdontkillus.
Thank you for the information.
I agree that it would be most useful as a propaganda tool for AI Safety, and I wondered whether using it as a propaganda tool (in a wider sense of the word) is actually the typical approach. Seems like yes.
This feels different from YouTube (unless I am wrong about YouTube) where at least naively it seems like the typical approach is to try getting lots of money from ad views. At least it originally was like that.
I'm curious how much effort does this require for you.
How much time do you spend producing a minute of content? How long does a single video tend to be?
On average each video is like 1-2 minutes, and takes 20 minutes to 3 hours depending on whether the video is higher effort, or a lazy off-the-cuff type video. I can adapt it to how busy I am in life.
Ok to renew your faith in humanity a bit(or perhaps to decay it further), I think a bunch of dumb comments on tik tok/reels are deliberate ragebait.
As a recovering addict of these adverseral content machines, I've learned to recognize patterns for deliberate engagement.
If you see a video of a criminal doing horrible things and then getting arrested, you know before you click into the comments the top comment will be something something police brutality. If you see a video of police brutality, you know that one of the top comments will be something something "entirely justified".
I don't think it's possible to have discourse on there, though it is pretty good entertainment. The algorithm is so responsive now, and you can learn to "pilot" the algorithm. Scroll fast for 4 videos and the algorithm understands you're bored of this and shows you something else. Different times of day tends to offer you different topics taliored to the type of mood you tend to be in during that time.
One funny phrase I see for those who acknowledge this is commenting "brick by brick" on some video you enjoyed. As in "I built this personal algorithm brick by brick and now I get to enjoy this amazing video, the fruits of my labor".
Based on the part about pattern matching being the cominant strategy, it seems to follow that rationality doesn't help much in making successful Tiktok videos compared to how much it helps in other things. So it's probably better to leave the task of making viral videos to other people.
I don't think that logically follows. Rational people are capable of non-logical strategies. And it may be important for rationalists who care about spreading a message of AI safety to make videos on the subject, for example.
Here's what I've learned from making TikTok videos every day for the last 60 days.
I think posting on TikTok is worthwile whether you want to spread AI safety arguments to an enormous audience, you have something you're passionate about you want to share, or you just want to work on your ability to speak confidently and capture human attention.
There's a list of tips at the end of this post, but first I want to talk about TikTok at a high level. TikTok and LessWrong operate very differently, so even if you are great at thorough, written content, you might find some of the things I learned about short-form video surprising.
I'm not gonna share my TikTok because I'm embarrassed, but here's some info about my account since I started two months ago:
My experience creating short-form video was one of regularly being surprised. Videos would do well or flop basically at random. This was a good sign, and part of why I extended my 30 day TikTok challenge to 60 days: making videos every day felt like I was interfacing with reality, and learning every day about human attention and interest from an ~optimal source. In most domains, you would be so lucky to have access to the immediate feedback you have on TikTok. You can be boring for years on LessWrong, and people will politely put in the effort to understand your argument (sometimes). TikTok audiences essentially yell "BORING!" in your face literally 3 syllables into your argument if you're not doing a good enough job capturing their attention.
On TikTok, your followers don't matter. A brand new account can get millions of views on their first video, and an established creator can fail to break 300 (failed videos stop being shared by the algorithm at around 300 "test views".) This means you can learn very quickly how to capture people's attention.
Compared to LessWrong, I'd say the main difference is that people on LessWrong are used to making reasoned arguments, but people on TikTok are usually not reasoning at all. They are turning their brains off when they watch, entering a sort of dissociative trance. Think of it like trying to talk to people who are dreaming, Inception-style. The reasoning faculties simply aren't operating. "High status person said it" or "lots of people are saying it" are evidence, but logic is not. Your video will not modify human nature such that this is not the case. Be prepared for the lowest quality disagreement you've ever received, akin to people talking in their sleep. Youtube comments have famously always been terrible, but TikTok comments make Youtube comments look like the annus mirabilis papers.
I have been watching some Robert Miles on TikTok, and I've been embarrassed on behalf of humanity for how bad the comments on his (thoughtful, intelligent) videos are. Here are some examples of popular comments from his recent videos:
Notice the utter lack of attempt to persuade. These are people who find the existence of their own opinions convincing in itself. The poor quality of comments has actually started to dissuade me from making persuasive content on TikTok. I'm still exploring what kind of content I want to make, but anything political/persuasive seems to invite toxicity and the most frustrating, blind stupidity you've ever seen. If you want to make AI safety content on TikTok, for example, you will need to have a thick skin to this kind of thing.
Making videos, I went through a few phases:
Here are some tips I learned along the way: