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Where is the YIMBY movement for healthcare?

by jasoncrawford
10th May 2025
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Where is the YIMBY movement for healthcare?
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[-]CRISPY2mo197

One of the many things I learned during my wife’s cancer treatment is that healthcare is designed with the cost development systems insulated to resist external influence. There is little accountability for the base cost architecture, often to the point where no one can identify the architect. 
This makes addressing inefficiencies, exploitations, and shortcomings almost impossible. 

From a regulatory standpoint, legislative action has little to target. The doctor, the technicians, the hospital, the supply vendor, the pharmacist, and even the insurers rarely set their own prices. Between every transaction there is at least one middleman who manages the cost and often their pricing guidelines are set by yet another middleman. The structure eliminates the cash flow variable from the parties in direct patient contact and leaves only the profit component as a variable. This undermines free market cost controls and performance incentives.

For hypothetical example, a hospital billing for a $10000 procedure does not receive that $10000. Third, fourth, or fifth parties receive the money and redistribute it back to everyone in the chain. That means the hospital is left with a negotiable amount of just $600 (above the line, $200 below). This phenomenally granular disintermediation of the cost structure means no party has a vested interest in individual transactions. There’s simply not enough money at that level to invest in higher stakes negotiations one might expect in a $10000 transaction. This makes volume the success defining metric. 

As I was spending countless days in hospital over the course of a year, I started counting keystrokes and mouse clicks performed by various hospital staff. Roughly 60% of all computer interaction was performed solely for billing purposes, not patient care. Billing purposes are also the primary driver in wait times. The doctors review patient records before each visit and spend much of that time reviewing what treatments they are allowed to use based on the patient’s financial means and their insurer. The highest performing doctors (a volume metric) are the ones who memorize the treatment approval criteria and don’t have to refer to the computer as often. 

The scope of the disintermediation is vast, so more examples are not useful. At the end of the day, what it boils down to is that the individual parties involved in the minutiae of patient care are insulated from each other. This makes YIMBY activism ineffective because enacting change that way only affects one tiny group within the chain and everyone else adjusts to compensate. It’s like trying to eat Jello with a cooked noodle. Huge effort with little to no reward. 

I do not have any reasonable solution. Americans have proven time and time again that adopting healthcare like developed countries have is unacceptable. The focus has to change to actual healthcare where patient outcomes are important (as opposed to focusing on billing outcomes for  providers). Increased frequency of Luigi Lobbying is unreasonable, but I think more people are beginning to see it as justified. 
 

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[-]Stephen Martin2mo70

At least on the breakthroughs what you are looking for is the "Right to Try" movement, as well as various state healthcare regenerative medicine initiatives. You need to understand that we make discoveries of treatments all the time, but the reason you hear about incredible breakthroughs and then see nothing on the market for decades is that it takes enormous investments of time and money to get them to the point where they are approved to go to market.

Right to Try laws are either Federal or more often state level laws which allow patients to access treatments which have gone through some level of FDA approved clinical trials, but have not yet gone all the way to passing all required phases for market approval. One very broad Right to Try law can be found in Montana, which allows any patient with approval from their doctor to give informed consent and access any treatment which has passed phase I clinical trials.

One unfortunate flaw of Right to Try laws is that despite it being technically legal to access these treatments, it still requires manufacturer consent (you cant just rip of companies' patents or anything), and most of these companies are pretty worried about the FDA retaliating against them if they were to make their drugs available under these state laws. There's also various commercialization bans and other regulations limiting manufacturer activity. All of that comes together to make it hard if not impossible for manufacturers to actually provide access, so they don't, so very little is available under these Right to Try laws. I'm personally looking at starting a fund to try to provide a sort of middleman for the process so companies can do this in a regulatorily compliant fashion, but it's an uphill battle even when you can provide them technical guarantees, because there's a real worry about retaliation down the line.

 

Another angle of "Healthcare YIMBYism" can be found in various state stem cell medicine laws, which often explicitly allow local physicians to perform treatments not approved by the FDA. Utah and Florida have both recently passed these (Florida's is passed the house & senate but yet to be signed by governor). I actually just finished writing an article on these two laws and their differences which sadly got rejected by the publisher, but can send it to you if you want more information.

Lastly, there has been a lot of pushing by the Goldwater Institute recently for Right to Try for Individualized Treatments which allows patients to access treatments based on their personal genetic code (which by default are practically impossible to get through FDA clearance processes) which has been quite successful.

 

This doesn't address all of your expense concerns of course, but at least on the breakthrough and getting technologies to market side of the equation, the movements you're looking for do exist. Feel free to DM me if you'd like more information.

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[-]TFD2mo40

It is not a fee-for-service relationship. The price system in medicine has been mangled beyond recognition. Patients are not told prices; doctors avoid, even disdain, any discussion of prices; and the prices make no rational sense even if and when you do discover them. This destroys all ability to make rational economic choices about healthcare.

I think pricing of medical services faces somewhat of a breakdown in the normal price-setting mechanism of markets. For some random good like a sandwich or whatever the buyer can at least have a reasonable sense of how much they want it, the seller understands their costs to produce it, and the price gets established by this balance. But how is someone who seeks medical care really supposed to know how much they value a particular medical service? They would presumably have to rely on their provider, who is on the opposite side of the transaction. Insurers could somewhat serve this role, but I think people often look down upon this, and also it seems likely to be a difficult and imperfect process.

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[-]AnthonyC2mo20

Yes, true, but somehow we don't have that problem with veterinary care, even when there's insurance involved. I don't really know how likely it is for any given treatment to help my cat, or for how long, but the vet gives me a list of options and each of their prices, in advance, and then that's what I pay. I pick based on a combination of my understanding, their recommendations, and my budget. It's generally far more humane, more empowering, and less condescending than getting care for a human, because our society lets people take responsibility for their pets in ways it doesn't let adults do for themselves.

Even besides that, though, the reality is much, much worse than that in (human) medicine. 

Depending on whether I have insurance and exactly which kind, the base price of a service - not what I ultimately pay, but the total number that I and my insurer pay - can vary by more than an order of magnitude. Even after the fact it can be really difficult to know how much anyone is paying anyone else. I've had three different situations, with different providers and insurers, in which the provider kept applying payments to the wrong line items, in ways that messed up who was supposed to pay what and when, that took months of calendar time and tens of hours of time on the phone to sort out.

As you noted, goods like prescriptions should be simpler than medical services to price out. But, when I have to fill the same prescription in different pharmacies (which is every month, because I travel full time), the price has varied by as much as a factor of a hundred between pharmacies or even by 2-10x  month to month from the same pharmacy. The price depends on the insurer. The price can sometimes be higher with insurance than without, because I can't combine insurance with various magic-seeming discount programs like GoodRx that are available to anyone and that some pharmacists will apply for you without you even asking. But it can sometimes also be ultimately cheaper to pay the higher price anyway depending on how your deductibles and copays work and when the magic plan year end date happens. Many pharmacies won't tell you the price before your Rx is in their system, and once it is in the system, you may not be able to change whether or not to use insurance. For many medications it is difficult or illegal to move them to a different pharmacy at all, or it can only be done a certain number of times, or it can only be done after the first pharmacy has filled it at least once. 

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[-][anonymous]2mo20

Anybody interested in this topic should absolutely read the Niskanen report on healthcare abundance, which goes into excruciating detail on how over-regulation and entrenched interests have kneecapped the supply of healthcare (doctors, hospitals, clinics, hospital beds, etc) to the detriment of society overall.

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[-]ChristianKl2mo2-2

A core aspect about the YIMBY is that housing isn't that complex. Building more housing is straightforwardly good. Nearly everyone who would benefit from having more housing. Those people who would not benefit from having more housing have an easy way to choose to rent smaller spaces.

Healthcare is not like that. Getting more healthcare services doesn't always help people. When buying a used car most people understand that they can't just trust the car salesman with the assessment of the value of the car. While the relationship between car buyer and car salesman is economically similar to that between patient and surgery salesman surgeon, people do want to have relationships of trust with their doctors.

The doctor-patient relationship has been disintermediated by not one but two parties: insurers and employers.

That seems naive. There are a lot more parties than those two that disintermediate that relationship in the US healthcare system.

Between insurers and the employers there are insurance salesman that take their cut. In addition to the official fee that the insurance salesman get paid insurance companies find additional ways to financially reward them as well. Martin A. Makary (the new head of the FDA) book The Price We Pay: What Broke American Health Care--and How to Fix is good at explaining the insurance salesman issue and a few other issues as well. 

Hospital used to get reimbursed more for an individual procedure than an independent practice (the Trump administration wants to change that). As a result, there pressure for doctors to be formally employed by hospitals. Those doctors often don't know what's actually chraged.

Insurance companies often pay a multiple of medicare reinbursement rates. Those are not set by the government but by the American Medical Association which is essentially a lobby organizations for doctors. If lobbyists for a given procedure win their fights within the American Medical Association, the reinbursement for that procedure becomes higher. 

(there are probably other parties that disintermediate  the relationship as well that don't come to my mind right now)

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[-]M. Y. Zuo2mo10

How do you know “the field is wide open” in the first place? 

It seems to take a lot of political influence to get any change pushed through at all… even for minor technical amendments to regulation, which  suggests it is a very closed field for anyone not willing to spend a lifetime of their political capital (and that of their closest million friends) on it.

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[-]ChristianKl2mo20

Martin Makary who was an advocate for price transparency in healthcare got head of the FDA. While the quality of many of the changes implemented by the Trump administration is debatable, the field feels clearly shaken up and open in a way it wasn't for a long time.

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[-]M. Y. Zuo2mo10

After an unknown amount of political influence was expended…. so I don’t really see how this is useful information, unless there’s some way to know all the players involved and approximately gauge the influence expended for each?

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[-]ChristianKl2mo42

I don't think "expending political influence" is a good model. If you manage to work with anyone to get any policy passed, in the process of doing that work you will build relationships that help you pass other policies in the future.

Currently, US healthcare policy is at a place where there's more potential for change then there was for a long time.

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In the progress movement, some cause areas are about technical breakthroughs, such as fusion power or a cure for aging. In other areas, the problems are not technical, but social. Housing, for instance, is technologically a solved problem. We know how to build houses, but housing is blocked by law and activism.

The YIMBY movement is now well established and gaining momentum in the fight against the regulations and culture that hold back housing. More broadly, similar forces hold back building all kinds of things, including power lines, transit, and other infrastructure. The same spirit that animates YIMBY, and some of the same community of writers and activists, has also been pushing to reform regulation such as NEPA.

Healthcare has both types of problems. We need breakthroughs in science and technology to beat cancer, heart disease, neurodegenerative diseases, and aging. But also, healthcare (in the US at least) is far more expensive and less effective than it should be.

I am no expert, but I am struck that:

  • The doctor-patient relationship has been disintermediated by not one but two parties: insurers and employers.
  • It is not a fee-for-service relationship. The price system in medicine has been mangled beyond recognition. Patients are not told prices; doctors avoid, even disdain, any discussion of prices; and the prices make no rational sense even if and when you do discover them. This destroys all ability to make rational economic choices about healthcare.
  • Patients often switch insurers, meaning that no insurer has an interest in the patient's long-term health. This is a disaster in a world where most health issues build up slowly over decades and many of them are affected by lifestyle choices.
  • Insurers are highly regulated in what types of plans they can offer and in what they can and cannot cover. There's no real room for insurer creativity or consumer choice, or for either party to exercise judgment.
  • A lot of money is spent at end of life, with little gained by in many cases except a few years or months (if that) of a painful, bedridden existence.

Just to name a few.

Bill Gurley wrote in 2017 that “we have the worst of both worlds … the illusion of a free market and the illusion of regulated market with the apparent benefit of neither.” John Arnold said more recently that health care is “not a fair and open market” and that it has basically every market failure. Or in Alex Tabarrok’s words, “any theory of what is wrong with American health care is true because American health care is wrong in every possible way.”

We could do much better, without any scientific or pharmaceutical breakthroughs, by reforming law and culture.

Where is the equivalent of the YIMBY movement for healthcare? Where are the people pointing out the gross violation of economic wisdom and common sense? Where are the campaigners for reform against the worst inefficiencies?

This field is wide open, and some smart writer or savvy activist should step in and fill the vacuum.