Metaculus and medians

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Epidemics move on a log scale. Sure, the final expected utility calculation is dominated by the question of whether everyone gets infected. Instrumentally, sqrt(everyone) getting infected is, to first order, halfway there.

For an example where giving an expected value aggregate prediction would be silly: https://www.metaculus.com/questions/3479/date-weakly-general-ai-is-publicly-known/

Agreed on all points!

In particular, I don't have any disagreement with the way the epistemic aggregation is being done; I just think there's something suboptimal in the way the headline number (in this case, for a count-the-number-of-humans domain) is chosen and reported. And I worry that the median-ing leads to easily misinterpreted data.

For example, if a question asked "How many people are going to die from unaligned AI?", and the community's true belief was "40% to be everyone and 60% to be one person", and that was reported as "the Metaculus community predicts 9,200 people will die from unaligned AI, 10% as many as die in fires per year", that would...not be a helpful number at all.

You're right that dates have their own nuance -- whether it's AGI or my food delivery, I care about the median arrival a lot more than the mean (but also, a lot about the tails!).

And so, in accordance with the ancient wisdom, I know that there's *something* wrong here, and I don't presume to be able to find the exact right fix. It seems most likely that there will have to be different handling for qualitatively different types of questions -- a separation between "uncertainty in linear space, aggregated in linear space" (ex: Net migration to UK in 2021), "uncertainty in log space, importance in quantiles" (ex: AGI), "uncertainty in log space, importance in linear space" (ex: Monkeypox). The first two categories are already treated differently, so it seems possible for the third category to be minted as a new species of question.

Alternatively, much of the value could come from reporting means *in addition to* medians on every log question, so that the predictor and the consumer can each choose the numbers that they find most important to orient towards, and ignore the ones that are nonsensical. This doesn't really solve the question of the incentives for predictors, but at least it makes the implications of their predictions explicit instead of obscured.

I don't know. (As above, "When [users] tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it, they are almost always wrong.")

A scoring rule that's proper in linear space (as you say, "scored on how close their number is to the actual number") would accomplish this -- either for scoring point estimates, or distributions. I don't think it's possible to extract an expected value from a confidence interval that covers orders of magnitude, so I expect that would work less well.

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Should I expect monkeypox to be a big deal for the world? Well, fortunately, Metaculus has a pair of questions that ask users to predict how many infections and deaths there will be in 2022:

203 users(!) made 817 predictions of infections, and Metaculus helpfully aggregates those into a "community prediction" of ~248k infections. 77 users made 180 predictions of deaths, with a community prediction of 541.

The y-axis is on a log scale (as are the predictors' distributions). This is a good choice! Whatever you expect the most-likely case to be, there's definitely a chance with things like this that one a misestimation or shift in one factor can make it bigger or smaller by a multiple, not just an additive amount.

What's

nota good choice is to report the median outcome of the aggregate position as the "community prediction". This causes a headline reported value that is way too low. Like, four to seven times too low (at least for my intended purposes).Because the predictors gave (and are scored on) probability distributions, Metaculus will happily give you an aggregate distribution, of which the 248k "community prediction" is the median scenario (the middle of the three dashed lines):

However, on the same plot, the aggregate distribution predicts a 10% chance of at least 4,950k infections. If it's 10% likely to be 5 million infections, then that's already lot more concerning than the 250k in the community prediction! And when I say I'm interested in how much monkeypox to expect, I do mean that in the sense of expected value, and I care about the mean case, not the median case.

Backing the mean out of the distribution provided on the page takes a small bit of spreadsheet work, but in the end I get 1,729k -- more than 7x higher than the community prediction!

Similarly, monkeypox deaths have a community prediction of 541, but a mean of more like 2,316 (4.3x higher):

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Now, there are good reasons for Metaculus to report medians instead of means if their goal is to be a respectable-looking site with non-crazy-seeming community predictions at the top of each question. If a Lizardman constant of users predict that there will be 100 times as much of a thing as the truthful users, should Metaculus report a mean that's 5x higher than the non-lizardman consensus? Seems bad!

On the other hand, if you're trying to (1) aggregate actionable knowledge about events on a log scale and (2) aggregate the

second-orderknowledge that contributors have, I'm not sure youcanavoid giving the outlier responders the respect they ask for. It's just that—as in a prediction market—you need to make it ruinously bad for them to mess with an otherwise-solid prediction (and you need to make that consequence sting enough that they don't do it unless they do have information to contribute).A related issue is the one that a friend of mine raised in the comments of an ACX post on Metaculus from last year:

If the mean of all the predictions is crazy high—because someone predicts a crazy high number—should you report it or not? What if that person is willing to

~~double~~~~quadruple~~vigintuple down on their prediction, if you let them?Well, you can write the aggregation to use "one user, one vote" and take the median, and you'll mostly exclude them, and all the lizardmen, and have more reasonable predictions. Or you can include their contribution, outweighing a lot of carefully-considered near-consensus opinions. Or anything in between.

But if it

isthe case that the community thinks there's a 5% chance of 15 million infections, and we want the headline number to be useful for planning effective action in the world based on the expected value, then the headline number had better be at least 750k. And if one userwantsto stand up and say "I know I'm just one user, but I really know a lot about this, and I want to take all of you on, epistemically speaking", then I'd like to know that! But you won't get there with community medians and well-calibrated quantiles and no mechanism for users to size their bets.## (3)

Once again, I want to be clear that I think that the spirit behind the Metaculus team, and their work, is something to be celebrated. They've gotten hundreds of people together to predict questions about monkeypox! And especially with PredictIt coming under fire, it's good to have all the prediction platforms the Powers That Be will allow us.

But, as I wrote last time, I continue to believe that the prediction community underrates the scoring rule that is used for trillions of dollars of transactions per day: buy or sell at the posted number; get paid based on how linearly right you are, times how much you trade. It doesn't output probability distributions that are sensible, but

neither really does Metaculus.In my math above, I stopped paying attention to the community distribution at the 95th percentile—but if you actually believe it all the way through the 99th percentile, you get a mean of 4,695k infections (nearly 19x the "community prediction"!):

Is that...a good summary of the aggregate state of belief of the contributors? I don't know! I suspect that, in actual practice, it was determined by the choices of predictors who paid careful attention to the bodies of their distribution and very little to the tails. But nearly two-thirds of the expected value comes from the top 5%tile!

An example: On the prediction page, you put in your prediction by specifying a 25%tile, median, and 75%tile case. A user that dials in "My prediction: 743k – 15M" probably isn't thinking too hard about the fact that the mean of the distribution they're expressing is nearly double the top number they specified:

...and similarly, I would be surprised if even 25% of the participants on this quesion have thought specifically about whether the 4.7 million implied by the community distribution is too high or too low. For most of the ones who contributed to making it that high, they didn't even put it in their 25%tile–75%tile interval!

Have the predictors thought whether their 50% confidence interval is correctly calibrated? Probably; that's what the site prompts you to think about. But it's

notthe thing that a scope-sensitive planner should care the most about when looking at the monkeypox situation. Rather, I'd prefer to see a simple readout of the expected number of cases, made by people who are focused on providing—and incentivized to provide—estimates of the expected number of cases. Probability distributions are nice to have, but (in my opinion) not if they interfere with users thinking directly about expected values.Obscuring the upward tails—and the outlier, would-be-doublers-down predictors—by aggregating them with a median makes it pretty hard to know what to make of the numbers here. Even if it usually makes the numbers look more sane, most of the time.