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I like the idea of adding a poll to get feedback about how the post is received.
But this poll in particular seems to add little beyond what can be inferred from the votes.
Maybe choose another dimension next time?
this source: http://alexvermeer.com/wp-content/uploads/8760-hours.pdf
suggests these questions for analysis of your life; in the form of a yearly review. If you are reviewing there is no need to put it off for that time of year; copied here in case the source disappears:
Contribution & Impact
Location & Possessions
Money & Finance
Career & Work
Health & Fitness
Knowledge & Education
Social Life & Family
Character & Integrity
Rate yourself in the following:
Productivity & Organization
Creativity & Adventure
Thanks for posting this. Just a quick note, many of the things listed above I would consider may be "common" terminal values, not goals. Might just be a wording thing, but I think of goals as instrumental, with values propagating to actions via the hierarchy values->strategies->campaigns->goals->actions.
Convergent instrumental goals might be an interesting collection as well.
I have a lot to consider in the way of "values" that are not really covered in this document. Thanks!
First off, I wanted to say that I like your post and the general idea of it, but I feel that in its current form it is lacking a base. That is, it's not grounded in anything. When I look at each of your points, I don't get any understanding of why these goals would actually be rational and worthwhile pursuing, I feel like you sort of have to approach your list with goals already in mind. Maybe, this is just about different ways that we would approach the same issue, but if I was creating a similar list I would first look at what the fundamental human needs are. If you know what these are and you also know what causes people to flourish, then you can develop your goals around that. This would probably give you very similar goals, but it would also let you know why and when the goals are worth pursuing. It would also let you know which goals are currently worth spending the most amount of resources and effort pursuing as you can look at how much you are meeting each of the fundamental human needs. Then you can find gaps and choose appropriate goals that will fill those gaps.
I found the below resources to be useful when I briefly looked into the fundamental human needs.
The below table of virtues (basically what makes a good person), see above link for more details, is probably a good starting point for something to base your goals on
Here are some more goals that I could think of
Here are some of your goals that I don't really understand why they are worth pursuing
Maybe, if you have a different persona or personality than I do then you would find these worth pursuing, but I don't.
I'm not sure they are rational things to be pursuing either. These seem like things that come after you become awesome at something and you can only become awesome at something if you love doing it. You simply wont be able to love it if you are only doing it for some ulterior motive like wanting fame. Now, I understand why you would leadership if you feel like you are in a certain position where you believe you can do more good than the current people in charge or if there is a gap that needs to be filled, but it doesn't seem worth pursuing power just for powers sake.
Yes this list has no base, but its less-bad than not having goals or a map of common goal-space and not knowing where to look for inspiration in the area.
Power was a late addition to the list; while I can agree that power is unusual; it may be /a/ goal of /a/ person (to obtain power for power's sake).
Similarly finding a way to leave a legacy behind, i.e. setting up a sustainable foundation to shape the future of humanity (i.e. nobel prizes). and leave yourself with a legacy (without of which Alfred nobel would be known only for the invention of TNT - which he did not want). This is potentially a goal-class of humans to have.
I also care not for fame nor conquer. But I can suppose that someone else might. And might want to think about how to achieve those things.
I think that gratitude falls under either spirituality or self-awareness. So I will update the description to include it.
Flow is a self awareness skill (and I will update it to be included there)
Perspectives is also a self-awareness trait
Rationality is definitely a skill/ability to be trained.
Interesting table of virtues; I find them to be a cluster of traits any person would want (variously) along the journey to pursuing their goals. But not goals of themselves. "bravery" is a good thing to have; or to carry, but does not become a goal of itself. Just because you are brave; does not mean you know what you will next do with that bravery.
I will add your suggestions to the list.
These goals are not by any means rational. Some of them might be irrational. But that doesn't stop some people from chasing after them. And I don't know if I have any right to be the person who defines which goals are irrational for another person. I can only leave that up to the reader.
It is another process (another post) to consider if goals are rational (or a good idea) and further "what is the most effective way to achieve the next goal". But you need a goal first before you can apply those considerations to them.
Thanks for your help improving this post!
Alright, I think I misunderstood the overall point to this post. It is meant to be about goals that people commonly have rather than should have or would be good to have.
Here's some more ideas:
I guess you have decided not to include the boring drives and urges like eat food etc.
goals that people commonly have
goals that people commonly have
I have this communication problem, I put that in the title. I am not sure how to make it more clear other than changing the title words from "list of common goals" to "goals that people commonly have".
These are new suggestions. I will add them in.
Boring things I made the assumption that there is a natural human drive for (i.e. relieving one's self by peeing when appropriate; eating food; getting sleep) the very basic maslow desires before higher level goals appear relevant.
I think the options could be more diverse. For example, 'fame/renoundness' doesn't take into account a possible wish for blending in, or just for a different kind of acknowledges. For example, my sister went to volunteer once and was told there was no need for her to get involved, but she was called by my name. Each of us certainly wish people wouldn't mistake us for the other, but it doesn't mean we wish more people to know us. Or 'freedom'; what if one wants to settle down, but not to be 'trapped' - one would need to add qualifiers to the stated choice, which is not a good feature in a questionnaire.
desire to blend in is one that neither me nor the people who I asked to review came up with! Well done!
It feels like a hollow goal. I wonder why I didn't come up with it. To me; (a very non-conformist person) you can never really fit in. As hard as you try; you will never be "normal" because normal is always an average of the world; so its not a real thing. Then again; other goals like legacy are just as much not real...
Actually, the 'get your act together' is interesting; perhaps 'self-awareness' can have a specific option of 'debug inconsistencies in your worldview'?
As to the performance question - are options 1 and 2 not the same? Since it is hard to envision a diametrically opposite goal(although one might plausibly want to be better at recognizing others' attempts at manipulation), is this more of a leading question?
Can you clarify what you mean by this? I suspect you have summarised; but I don't know which point you are asking about specifically. Maybe quote the original?
'Do you want to be X', 'do you want to be able to do X' - I realize it's not exactly the same, but maybe the second one should be stated more like '...to occasionally lighten the mood', or some such.
Explicitly - having the skills of performing on a stage is different to actually being the person who performs. you might want to train in those abilities for the fun of training without actually using the skills. That is why both classes are mentioned
update now lists:
Improve the tools available - sharpen the axe, write a new app that can do the thing you want, invent systems that work for you. prepare for when the rest of the work comes along.
that took a while to come up with... and overlaps with self-awareness.
See also the list of human universals (as complete as it gets).
A few brainstormy ideas:
Survival/Sustenance - Food/Water/Shelter/Safety
Humor - Jokes/Comedy
Intimacy - Feeling emotionally connected/Physical Affection/Proximity
Validation - Positive Feedback on emotions/feeling understood/feeling that one is good and one matters
I added survival into health
Intimacy falls under family/social I feel that you can get intimacy out of either family endeavours or social endeavours and there is nothing of intimacy that falls outside of those two. (have added to the above but not made a new class of goal)
validation is new and on the list now.
I am not sure how humour is a goal - can you explain more?
It's an okayish exercise in brainstorming, one that, if nothing else, should drive home the point that there is a plurality of goals which can be pursued, and that they're not necessarily commensurable on a single good-bad scale.
I was trying to do something similar, but under the broader umbrella of values rather than just goals – in that from values derive not just goals, but also virtues, vices and worldviews. The other difference is that values can be of maintenance rather than of maximization or change. Another thing I was working on compiling (but for a far more casual purpose) is a list of aspirations in life that define one's role in the world, which might be closer to what you're trying to do here.
By comparing your posts to my lists, here's what I can tell you from my perspective: don't neglect the more... ignominious things that humans can value. One thing that jumped out to me about your list is that it's very feel-good and unobjectionable for the most part, fit for a self-help book. This may obscure the fact that there are some goals which people pursue in a very real sense but don't admit to as readily. To many people here this probably sounds very Hansonian, and indeed, status can be listed here, but I also mean things like hedonism or sex, or reckless risk-seeking, or a class-based understanding of advancement in life, or even laziness. If you're trying to follow this list as a mindfulness or productivity exercise, an invisibility of such goals can hinder you if you're not aware you're pursuing them instead.
Another thing: meditating upon a list of goals is weaksauce in terms of emotional salience. You'd need more elaborate related rituals and perhaps some communality in order to get really inspired to work on them. In other words, you'd need to get a bit religious about it. I don't have any good suggestions as to how to act upon this observation (without having to swallow up a whole lot of accompanying bullshit), but it's just something I thought I should throw out there.
I don't expect any ritual more complicated to even be tried by someone. Not sure how to ritualise this task in a way that makes it equally do-able and more likely to cause progress...