We won't be able to recognise the human Gödel sentence

by Stuart_Armstrong 1 min read5th Oct 201233 comments

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Building on the very bad Gödel anti-AI argument (computers's are formal and can't prove their own Gödel sentence, hence no AI), it occurred to me that you could make a strong case that humans could never recognise a human Gödel sentence. The argument goes like this:

  1. Humans have a meta-proof that all Gödel sentences are true.
  2. If humans could recognise a human Gödel sentence G as being a Gödel sentence, we would therefore prove it was true.
  3. This contradicts the definition of G, which humans should never be able to prove.
  4. Hence humans could never recognise that G was a human Gödel sentence.

Now, the more usual way of dealing with human Gödel sentences is to say that humans are inconsistent, but that the inconsistency doesn't blow up our reasoning system because we use something akin to relevance logic.

But, if we do assume humans are consistent (or can become consistent), then it does seem we will never knowingly encounter our own Gödel sentences. As to where this G could hide and we could never find it? My guess would be somewhere in the larger ordinals, up where our understanding starts to get flaky.