My favorite example of fiction influencing reality (or maybe just predicting it really well, it's hard to tell) is how Arthur Conan Doyle's detective stories basically created forensic science from thin air. For example, the very first Sherlock Holmes story "A Study in Scarlet", published in 1887, describes Holmes inventing a chemical test to distinguish dried bloodstains from dirt stains. Then exactly that test was invented in 1900. Another example is analysis of tiny differences between typewriters, which appeared in Holmes stories a few years before anyone did it in reality.
It makes sense as an extrapolation - chemical technology was advancing rapidly, so obviously the potential to do such things was there already or would have been shortly, and while maybe actual police investigators had never even really considered involving scientists in their work, Doyle with his outside perspective could spot the obvious connection and use it as a over plot idea to reinforce just how clever and innovative his genius detective was.
It's possibly another argument for why this happens: fiction can be a really good outlet for laypersons with not enough credentials to put ideas out there and give them high visibility. Once the idea is read by someone with the right technical chops, it can then spark actual research and the prophecy fulfills itself.
Curated. At the 2014 CFAR reunion, a group of us was trying to find questions that split the participants in two (binary search-like). The first question which split the group in half was: "Are you here because of HPMOR?"
Fiction just is very powerful. I've curated this for assertion and being the best concrete write-up of it that someone could link to, though I feel it ought to be possible to write a post about this with even more punch. Heck, this post doesn't even touch on religious texts, e.g. the Bible, that provide cultural-wide common language beyond the raw language and establishment of values.
One day we might get around to make the Fiction page on LessWrong (something I did a mockup for several years ago). There's enough content for it.
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A large academic literature exists on how people who read fiction have more empathy. Granted, causality could go both directions. See https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C22&q=people+who+read+lots+of+fiction+have+more+empathy&btnG=
The UK Health Secretary in 2021, Matt Hancock, ordered 100m vaccines, rather than 30m, because of the film Contagion
Comment on Footnote #8: There is a study on Asterix & Obelix's depiction of head injury. "Traumatic brain injuries in illustrated literature: experience from a series of over 700 head injuries in the Asterix comic books"
That study made me really curious about Batman so I read the first five years of the comic books and counted head injury. Batman and Robin are knocked out from head injury hundreds of times. (its generally how they got him in the elaborate trap)
That might seem silly, but think about American football. A player gets knocked out in the first quarter and then comes back for the fourth quarter and the crowd cheers. That is the exact wrong thing to do with a TBI. Re-injuring it will make it much worse. Batman comics showed audiences Batman and Robin getting serious TBI's and then returning to action hundreds of times. Obviously blaming Batman comics is logically ridiculous, but measuring this as a sign to historic societal indifference to head injury is pretty telling.
I agree with everything you've said. If anything, I think the effect is underrated because it's socially taboo to admit we've been majorly influenced by fiction. We all want to convey that we are Very Serious People who make decisions by reading serious scientific papers, not that we got into environmentalism because we watched Fern Gully as a kid, or whatever.
Part of the challenge with using fiction to persuade people is that fiction is often most effective for conveying views when it's not being explicitly didactic, e.g., compare Soviet and Chinese propaganda films, which are universally terrible, or at best cheesy, with how America in the 20th century gained a huge amount of soft power through media that implicitly conveyed its worldview. Many people have that complaint about HPMOR.
To some extent this just comes down to the quality of the underlying work, people only call something didactic when it's too obvious. But it adds additional constraints to the problem, writing a fun adventure is hard, writing a fun adventure that also teaches people about endocrinology is much harder.
I also think fiction is generally harder than nonfiction. Most educated people can write a comprehensible essay fairly easily (arguably they do so several times a day with emails, tweets, etc.), but would struggle to write a good short story, especially if it was also trying to convey the same information. The floor on bad factual writing is that it's basically readable, the floor on bad fiction writing is that it's excruciating.
Case in point: your Crystal trilogy was the major reasons I became concerned about AI safety.
It was also a great read, to be clear, but it helped me wrap my mind around a few important concepts (mainly: quantitative vs qualitative intelligence) which directly led to exploring Nick Bostrom's work.
I don't have much else to add aside from excitement at the prospect of reading a new book of yours. Keep them coming.
Lovely to find yet another person who benefited from my stories. I hope you enjoy Red Heart! ❤️
I know many people whose lives were radically changed by The Lord of the Rings, The Narnia Chronicles, Star Wars, or Ender's Game.
The first three spawned a vast juvenile fantasy genre which convinces people that they're in a war between pure good and pure evil, in which the moral thing to do is always blindingly obvious. (Star Wars at least had a redemption arc, and didn't divide good and evil along racial lines. In LotR and Narnia, as in Marxism and Nazism, the only possible solution is to kill or expel every member of the evil races/classes.) I know people on both sides of today's culture war who I believe were radicalized by Lord of the Rings.
Today's readers don't even know fantasy wasn't that way before Tolkien and Lewis! It was adult literature, not wish-fulfilment. Read Gormenghast, A Voyage to Arcturus, The Worm Ouroboros, or The King of Elfland's Daughter. It often had a nihilistic or tragic worldview, but never the pablum of Lewis or Tolkien.
Ender's Game convinces people that they are super-geniuses who can turn the course of history single-handedly. Usually this turns out badly, though it seems to have worked for Eliezer.
Richard Rorty argued that stories, rather than ethical principles, are at the heart of morality. For Rorty, the basic question of morality is which groups to recognize as persons entitled to respect. Stories about women and slaves made privileged people recognize them as people who matter.
Within Rorty's framing, it feels like The Wild Robot, Wall-E, and stories like that prime us to (eventually) recognize the personhood of robots. I suppose those would be important stories if we succeeded in creating conscious entities that desire to continue living*, but since there are (VERY!) good reasons not to build these entities now, we need stories that highlight the risks as you've discussed.
* And we retained full power over them. (Edit was to add this)
I'm someone with an AI research/engineering background who also aspires to be (and sometimes fancies himself) a good writer. How would you be able to tell if I should put in the time and energy required to write short stories or novels that try to input good sci-fi ideas into our culture (particularly AI safety related) rather than using that time and energy on, for instance, side projects in technical AI safety? It may not be an either/or thing, but I'm not sure splitting my time is better than focusing on one path.
Also, from my cursory research, it seems like becoming a successful published author is similar to winning the lottery, and has worse odds than succeeding at a startup. Would it still make sense to try this, even if realistically, it probably wouldn't be financially sustainable? The hypothetical EV could be very high, but that seems to depend on having very good ideas, very good writing ability, and a certain amount of luck, which are things I'm not super confident I have enough of here.
Yeah, these are good questions. I mostly don't suggest people try to support themselves writing unless they already know they're very good at storytelling, and even then it's hard/rare. Instead, I think it's good for people to experiment with it as a side-thing, ideally in addition to some useful technical work. (I'm very blessed that I get to work as a researcher at MIRI, for example, and then go home and write stories that are inspired by my research.) Don't wait to be discovered by a literary agent; if you write something good, post it online! Only try to seriously monetize after you already have some success.
Regarding how to tell if your stories are good, I think the main thing is to get them in front of people who will be blunt, and find out what they say. LLMs are a good stepping-stone to this, if you're hesitant to get a real human to read your work, though you'll have to shape their prompt so that they're critical and not sycophantic. Writing groups can also be a good resource for testing yourself.
With Crystal, I just slammed them out there with pretty minimal effort. I gave Society away for free, and didn't make paperback copies until just recently. For Red Heart I thought the story might have broader appeal, and wanted to get over my allergy to marketing, so I reached out to a bunch of literary agents early this year. Very few were interested, and most gave no reason. One was kind enough to explain that as a white guy writing a book about China, it would be an uphill battle to find a publisher, and that I'd probably need a Chinese co-author to make it work. She estimated that optimistically I might be able to get it in stores in 2027. From my perspective that was way too slow, and since I already had experience self-publishing, I went down that route. Self-publishing is extremely easy these days, and can produce a product of comparable quality if you are competent and/or have a team. The main issue is marketing and building awareness; traditional publishing still acts as a gatekeeper in many ways. So I'm still extremely dependent on word-of-mouth recommendations.
I think this is true for sufficiently well-narrated nonfiction as well — I think a great deal of my psychology was shaped by reading about the classical world as a youth. Biography is probably the paradigmatic example of this genre — Ron Chernow's book Titan, about the life of John D. Rockefeller, made the America of the late nineteenth century far more "real" to me than a more boradly informative textbook could have.
Historical fiction also capitalizes on this same effect, as it's able both to bootstrap off the narrative richness and detail of real history and offer the reader an general education in the lived experience of that time.
China historically had periods when speculative fiction, including science fiction, was restricted, but in recent decades the genre has become more open. A tech podcaster who attended one of the first sci‑fi conventions in China said he asked why the restrictions were lifted. The answer he received was that it was partly to encourage imaginative thinking, giving creators a speculative space that can inspire real‑world innovation.
Stories like Star Trek and Star Wars have long inspired technology; William Shatner even wrote about this in I’m Working on That: A Trek From Science Fiction to Science Fact.
For AI-themed stories specifically (where Ai and humans actuary talk together like LLMs) there are some notable LitRPG books:
Polyglot: NPC ReEvolution by Rae Nantes
Viridian Gate Online: Cataclysm (The Viridian Gate Archives) by James A. Hunter
Ascend Online by Luke Chmilenko
A well known example is the idea of using geostationary orbits for communication satellites popularized by Arthur C. Clarke (which he said was possibly subconsciously influenced by George O. Smith's story in the first Venus Equilateral)
Other than Mycroft being a result of spontaneous consciousness, the computer in Heinlein's "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" was not too far off from being from being an LLM, as well as Minerva in ""Time Enough for Love".
Not sure if this is the right place for general questions/discussion of Red Heart but I'm curious who you talked to and what research you did on the China side of it
My favorite personal experience with the power of fiction influencing how I imagine the world is Flatland. I read it when I was just learning geometry and it helped me conceive different dimensions. Imagining 2D space was always too abstract for me to understand until it became tied to a story.
If you want another fun story with the same gimmick, one of my favorite books is The Planiverse.
Though non-fiction, I noted some years ago that parts of Superintelligence by Nick Bostrom would make great material for a feature film, that would bring the risks of AI to wide attention. Eg the stuff about ingenious ways a superintelligent AI might break out of an oracle situation, or persuade someone to help it manufacture a deadly virus.
[Meta: This is Max Harms. I wrote a novel about China and AGI, which comes out today. This essay from my fiction newsletter has been slightly modified for LessWrong.]
In the summer of 1983, Ronald Reagan sat down to watch the film War Games, starring Matthew Broderick as a teen hacker. In the movie, Broderick's character accidentally gains access to a military supercomputer with an AI that almost starts World War III.
After watching the movie, Reagan, newly concerned with the possibility of hackers causing real harm, ordered a full national security review. The response: “Mr. President, the problem is much worse than you think.” Soon after, the Department of Defense revamped their cybersecurity policies and the first federal directives and laws against malicious hacking were put in place.
But War Games wasn't the only story to influence Reagan. His administration pushed for the Strategic Defense Initiative ("Star Wars") in part, perhaps, because the central technology—a laser that shoots down missiles—resembles the core technology behind the 1940 spy film Murder in the Air, which had Reagan as lead actor. Reagan was apparently such a superfan of The Day the Earth Stood Still that he repeatedly told General Colin Powell (and Mikhail Gorbachev!) that the USA and the USSR could find peace if only there was an alien invasion.
Reagan isn't the only important figure to be heavily influenced by fiction. Joe Biden reportedly grew concerned about AI after watching Mission: Impossible. Elon Musk credits Douglas Adams for guiding him through a childhood existential crisis, giving credit to him and Isaac Asimov for shaping his philosophy.[1] The stories of Robert Heinlein also likely served as inspiration for privatizing spaceflight and the development of reusable rockets.
Leo Szilard said of H.G. Wells' 1914 novel The World Set Free, the first use of the term “atomic bomb”: “The book made a very great impression on me, but I didn’t regard it as anything but fiction. ... I had not been working in nuclear physics up to that time.” But the book came to mind in 1933 when Ernest Rutherford claimed that harvesting nuclear power was hopeless and drove Szilard to prove him wrong, starting the first artificial nuclear chain reaction nine years later.
Similar stories surround other inventions, such as Simon Lake's development of the ocean-going submarine (via Jules Verne),[2] Charles Hall's patent for waterbeds (Robert Heinlein), and Jack Cover's invention of TASERs (named after "Tom A. Swift's Electric Rifle"). Major figures such as Carl Sagan, Mae Jemison, Tim Berners-Lee, Sergey Brin, Steve Wozniak, Werner von Braun, and Robert Goddard were all heavily inspired by science fiction in one way or another.
Fiction has the power to excite, inspire, and change minds beyond the realms of science and technology, of course. Obvious examples include:
Most of the impact of fiction isn't high-profile or easily sourced. It comes in the form of countless small nudges. Even if we can't say for sure that any particular story was the cause of something, those nudges add up. My brother-in-law grew up watching Alias and then aimed, in high school, to become a federal agent.[3] I grew up reading Dune and became a transhumanist who spends all day thinking about superintelligence. Multiple people in the AI Safety space have credited my novel Crystal Society for waking them up about the risks of AI, and changing their life.
And of course, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality by Eliezer Yudkowsky (who was himself highly influenced by science fiction) has been cited as central in getting various AI researchers involved in trying to reduce existential risk, including Neel Nanda, Alex Turner, and Mihály Bárász. It was arguably[4] more important in growing and shaping the Rationality community than The Sequences, having innumerable knock-on effects.
Appreciating the power of fiction is an important general lesson, but I admit that I have a particular interest in it on the topic of artificial intelligence. When I first started writing about AI, the notion that someone could have a natural-language conversation with their computer was clear science-fiction. It is now science-fact. And yet, there are approximately zero stories about AI that are grounded in the technology that now exists. The few pieces of modern fiction that have come out in this new LLM-age are mostly still mired in old views, and are usually, at best, "the AI acts basically like a weird human."
AIs have texture. They have dynamics and details. They are mysteries to most people. Even those who frequently use chatbots often have little understanding of what is going on behind the scenes, what is possible now, or what might be possible in just a couple years. The world is ripe for a truly great piece of AI fiction that educates as much as it entertains, and gets the world to really grapple with the presence of these new minds.
Is my new novel that story? Probably not. But I'm trying. And I think it's worth thinking about whether you (if you have some combination of storytelling skill and technical insight) ought to be trying too. If we don't find something soon, we run the risk of having the next big, break-out AI story be about hippy robots saving humanity from dehydration by shutting down their factories and wandering off into the woods.[5]
Of course, not everyone is driven by fiction. For every person who says they chose their career because they resonated with a story, there will be several others who chose their field because of real-world inspirations, pragmatism, or random opportunity. And for those who haven't had their lives and worldviews shaped by fiction, this can all seem overblown. Perhaps my enjoyment of Dune and my affinity for transhumanism are both downstream of some genetic disposition. Perhaps Reagan's interest in the Strategic Defense Initiative was on its merits, and the connection to Murder in the Air is a coincidence.
To bolster the large number of self-reports, I want to present a collection of a priori reasons to expect fiction to change people's minds in ways that can often be more potent than non-fiction:
Nonfiction writing conveys facts; fiction writing conveys experiences.
— Eliezer Yudkowsky
Unfortunately, with the possible exception of decreased defensiveness, all of the dynamics discussed above are dual-use. For every beautiful story that brings the reader into contact with an important truth, there is at least one other, almost as beautiful, that risks infecting them with falsehood. When you stop being beholden to facts, you run the risk of optimizing too much for persuasion, and not enough for rigor.
This risk is most pronounced when it's woven into the background, or presented as serious physics in domains where people don't have a lot of first-hand experience. Magic and unrealistic physics are fun! I am not demanding that every story with dragons have a plausible evolutionary history where the caloric expenditure of breathing fire makes sense, or that every spaceship take years to travel between the stars. But still, thanks to TV and movies, many people don't realize that that getting hit with a bullet causes almost no knockback, that guns with "silencers" are still loud, and that firing a gun into the air can be deadly.[8]
The problem comes when the unrealistic bits of a story aren't recognized as fictional by the audience, either because the author was mistaken about something, or because they failed to flag things clearly. This can be particularly pernicious in the domains of psychology, sociology, and economics, where subtle misconceptions and cognitive biases are passed from author to reader. Every plucky rebel is fighting a tyrannical empire. Every environmental catastrophe is the result of corporate greed. Everyone who goes to court is either cleanly innocent or obviously guilty. Humans want things to make sense, and for the events in their lives, big and small, to happen for narratively satisfying reasons. Each story to casually[9] discard the messy complexity of the world contributes to the problem.
The responsibility thus falls on fiction writers to not just debias ourselves, but to debias our work—to give the reader vicarious experiences that don't just feel real, but which lead them to be better at predicting the true reality. A good story can wake the President of the United States up to technological risks, inspire generations, and clarify complex issues. And just as the risks of misconceptions are high in areas where readers aren't knowledgeable enough to disbelieve, the opportunities to educate are also greatest on the cutting edge. For anyone working with ideas that aren't yet widely understood—whether you're a novelist, a scientist, or simply someone who sees something others have missed—storytelling offers the rare opportunity to draw attention, get people to think deeply, and help them find a hold on the truth, before a more careless writer leads them to falsehood.[10]
This can be a heavy task. Writing fiction that makes sense and conforms to the laws of economics and physics can rub against the expectations or desires of the audience. But it can also be extremely satisfying when done well. With skill, an active effort to combat the failure modes, and some luck, it is possible to write stories that are effective at getting readers to think and learn about important topics such as AI—perhaps unreasonably effective—but without betraying reason.
I'll leave it to readers to decide whether he's living up to the source material.
Is this nominative determinism or anti-nominative determinism?
He ultimately wound up working in tech because that's where the good jobs were, but the influence was still clearly there. I know many similar instances of people whose career goals were influenced by detective and crime-scene investigation shows, only to have life kick them down a different path. My claim is that fiction is influential, not that its influence is somehow always able to win out over economics.
I am personally skeptical of this, and could see it going either way. I came to the field from stumbling on Eliezer's technical work, and don't feel like there's an obvious skew either way, when people tell me how they got involved.
People seem to love the "robot connects with nature" trope. And while I think it's basically as bad as "robot melts down when presented with paradox," I want to be clear that I actually think both A Psalm for the Wild-Built and The Wild Robot are pretty good stories. Part of the point of this essay is that a story can manage to be pretty darn good, without being a very good guide to reality.
One of my most mortifying memories is from when I met a high-status person for the first time (at a party) and got into a conversation where I boldly claimed that the Disney corporation didn't actually own Disney World. This, to be clear, is extremely obviously false, and I definitely should have known better. But I had read a science-fiction novel a few years ago where it was true, and my brain had, based on some feeling of "surprising but true fact," accidentally updated into thinking it was real. 😬
There's still a divide between what different political factions read, of course, but I think it's rare for the explicit political orientation of the author to be the dominant factor, rather than simply having different tastes, such as highbrow vs lowbrow stories. Even famous counterexamples like JK Rowling, Orson Scott Card, and Stephen King are still enjoyed by the majority of political opponents, even if there's controversy.
Here are some more facts, because I love to debunk myths from fiction:
Casual oversimplification stands in contrast to stylistic oversimplification. It's fine to have plucky rebels fighting the greedy empire, as long as it's clear to the audience that the story is deliberately flattening the social conflict.
In my experience, one of the more useful heuristics towards guiding an audience towards the truth is to highlight your uncertainty, as an author. Highlighting, here, means calling the reader's attention to something and encouraging them to think about it for themselves before you reveal how the story handles things. A skilled author, I claim, can encourage truthseeking, even if they happen to be wrong on the object-level.
People seem to love the "robot connects with nature" trope. And while I think it's basically as bad as "robot melts down when presented with paradox," I want to be clear that I actually think both A Psalm for the Wild-Built and The Wild Robot are pretty good stories. Part of the point of this essay is that a story can manage to be pretty darn good, without being a very good guide to reality.