A final defense: why spend money helping out people in other countries? A nation’s obligation is to its own! The people saved by foreign aid aren’t Americans, so why should we bother to help them?
I feel like the intellectual right takes the position that taxes are to solve public goods problems—roads, education, homelessness—not charity. I mostly agree with them here. Why? Anyone can donate their own money to charity. When you force people to donate to a charity of your choice, well maybe they would rather have had the extra fourteen dollars than save someone from HIV. This means you're imposing a negative externality on them, and when you impose negative externalities, you should expect resistance. It can definitely be cheaper to quell said resistance than lower taxes, but hurting others because it makes you better off and you can is antithetical to 'society'.
When it comes to foreign aid, the only consistent stance to have is: charity work, not government work.
- Imagine we could spend .5% of the budget annually to stop the Nazi holocaust every decade or so.
It seems obvious the government shouldn't do that, unless the Nazis are going to sink our ships or declare war on our economic allies. Usually this is the case, which is why the government does prevent holocausts. But not in places like Rwanda.
- Disease does not respect borders—epidemics have a way of making it to the U.S.
The USA has ~30k new HIV infections per year. Even if we assume all of those come from sex tourism in HIV-ridden countries, that's still ~$10bn in treatment costs. Does $6bn in PEPFAR decrease American HIV infections enough to offset the cost?
I know many (most? the vast majority?) LessWrongers care about strangers enough that they disprefer the extra $14. But not everyone has the same utility function, so relegate these non-public-goods problems to charity.
I feel like the intellectual right takes the position that taxes are to solve public goods problems—roads, education, homelessness—not charity. I mostly agree with them here. Why? Anyone can donate their own money to charity.
But everyone in a group of people can reasonably have the preference "everyone donates to charity > no one donates to charity > only I donate to charity", if each individual values "money to charity" more than they value money held by other people in the group. If so, agreeing to put taxes towards charity could be preferred by everyone. So in some situations, it can be very similar to public goods. See moral public goods for a longer explanation & discussion.
(Of course, among 300 million people, not everyone will agree. But the same is true for normal public goods — not everyone will benefit enough from them to make it worth their taxes.)
This means that you actually have to engage with the details of what the public thinks about various types of charity, to see if it's more of a "public goods" type situation or if people would prefer to not give any money to charity. The case of foreign aid is kind of confusing. Based on my memory, and also what GPT-5 says:
GPT-5 did also cite one study where Americans were informed that the US only spends like ~1% and then asked if they should spend more or less — and then majority think the US should spend a similar amount or more rather than reduce spending on foreign aid. (34 reduce / 37 same / 28 increase.) [1]
So overall I think it's very reasonable for the US to spend money on foreign aid, and very reasonable for people to vote on candidates based on whether they match their own position on how much foreign aid there should be.
I did check that the question and the numbers checked out, but I didn't otherwise vet that the study was reasonable.
How are you deciding what qualifies as a "public good"?
Why not have each person deciding whether they value roads enough to subscribe to a road company, or whether they value an educated public enough to contribute to that?
That sort of thing sounded good to me in my teens, but then I realized that the practical, real world result would be no roads. Actually I think it started with doubts about the the sheer number of wearying decisions one would have to make to live that way... and then kind of clarified into the idea that, in fact, what with the coordination issues and free riding and all, there would in fact be no roads.
Eventually I decided I like roads enough to "hurt" a few others to get them. But there's no fundamental difference that makes roads a "public good" and any other desire anybody might happen to have not a "public good".
It seems obvious the government shouldn't do that, unless the Nazis are going to sink our ships or declare war on our economic allies.
But wait, now you're assuming that everybody cares about economic allies. What if somebody doesn't feel they get value out of foreign trade? Why should they pay? Similarly, if you own a ship and the Nazis might sink it, then why aren't you paying to protect it, rather than demanding that everybody pay? How is protecting your ship a public good?
And if you do want to put shipping and foreign trade in some special "public good" category, what about the foreign trade value that came out of the goodwill PEPFAR and other USAID programs were creating? Or for that matter the foreign trade value of just generally boosting people's economic welfare worldwide? You can't trade with people who have nothing and produce nothing. There was a lot US economic self-interest motivating many of the things USAID was doing. For that matter, it was also a source of intelligence that was sometimes used to stop ship-sinky sorts of activities, as well as, again, a source of goodwill that made those activities less attractive to a bunch of potential ship-sinkers. Seeing that stuff as pure charity is deeply naive.
Some goods can have freeriders, and some cannot. To prevent freeriders on the roads, you need some form of policing. A toll booth or a military could work. While it's possible to form different governments for different goods, this can lead to fighting between the police forces. Eventually one wins, gains a monopoly on power, and becomes the "legitimate" government.
As to...
Why not have each person deciding whether they value roads enough to subscribe to a road [tax], or whether they value an educated public enough to contribute to that?
It's because of freeriders. This is why we have someone else decide how much the roads or public education are helping them. Maybe by putting a tax on gasoline or land around a school. I think if they overestimate how much value you're getting out of the roads or schools, you should complain and ask them to change the tax code. For most areas, you'll get more value than you paid in taxes, so you only have to spend mental energy when it becomes apparent that you're not.
What if somebody doesn't feel they get value out of foreign trade? Why should they pay? Similarly, if you own a ship and the Nazis might sink it, then why aren't you paying to protect it, rather than demanding that everybody pay?
They shouldn't. This can be solved directly by having tariffs (and for thousands of years, was what was done). This feels obvious, and my guess is there's some woke mind virus at work, something like, "taxes are a fungible pool of money that everyone gets an equal say in its distribution." If you don't already believe that, and you're trying to be the first person to collect taxes, you'll collect them for a purpose, and refund any extra money, not find a new purpose for it.
what about the foreign trade value that came out of the goodwill PEPFAR and other USAID programs were creating?
Which is it? Are these countries very poor, where PEPFAR would be a huge percent of their GDP, or are they so rich that the goodwill generated exceeds the charity? Or, is it that they virtue signal to other, richer countries that America is a benevolent dictator, and it's okay to keep the dollar hegemony? I think that is actually a really good reason to have USAID programs—it slows down other nations' urgency to compete—but I also believe America's hegemony has <10 years left. I think it's still good to commit to goodwill, so that the next powers to be are more likely to be kind in return. That is the public good we're funding, nothing else. Is it worth $20–40bn/year? Probably.
When it comes to foreign aid, the only consistent stance to have is: charity work, not government work.
Seeing that stuff as pure charity is deeply naive.
Deeply naive with a helping of arrogance. Why would you believe I didn't consider goodwill, and then just decided it wasn't worth it to add another few paragraphs going several rebuttals deeper? You'll also find that I tend to respond to people with the same style of argumentation they employ. Such as, if you flippantly call something inconsistent, I'll flippantly call it consistent.
Are these countries very poor, where PEPFAR would be a huge percent of their GDP,
They can be poor at the moment, and you can hope they will eventually be rich, so you can trade with them. Maybe you try to make that happen. It's uncertain, yes, and in some cases not very likely at all. But it can still be one of your reasons.
or are they so rich that the goodwill generated exceeds the charity?
It's unlikely you'll make a net profit off them right now. You can; occasionally there's some really valuable deal. In expectation it's probably a financial loss in the near term. But it's not a dead loss in expectation.
And you might cut down on the number other governments that decide not to let you run a road across a corner of their territory or whatever. And on the number of random not-necessarily-government people harassing shipping. People who aren't profitable trading partners, or even in the picture on a particular aid decision, can still seriously obstruct things that are profitable.
Or, is it that they virtue signal to other, richer countries that America is a benevolent dictator, and it's okay to keep the dollar hegemony?
Sure, that's one big reason. Did you think I'd say it wasn't?
I mean, I'm not saying USAID was anywhere near the core of it, but that hegemony didn't happen for no reason to begin with. It helps to be big, it helps to be everywhere, it helps to be ready to deal, it helps to be at least relatively trustworthy about keeping bargains, and it helps to have not been as devastated as everybody else in a huge war at a critical time. But it also truly helps to be seen as the "good guy".
The hope you mention for reciprocity from future hegemons is also a possible reason, although I don't know that the people actually making the decisions are thinking in those terms, and I'm not sure that memories are that long.
You can do this stuff because you think your people want to help the unfortunate overseas[1] , and because you want to cut down on the amount of HIV or whatever sloshing around the planet[2], and because it plays well with people in other rich countries, and because it makes poor countries less likely to get in your way just because they can, and because it may build markets, and because it's cover for both spies and not-spies-who-are-still-good-information-sources, and because it tends to mean you get consulted (or at least hear about it) when people are making decisions about this or that region, and for whatever other reasons, and no single one of them has to carry the entire burden.
Which a large majority of them do, by the way. ↩︎
You'd like to eradicate it domestically, but you can't actually do that without eradicating it globally. Sure, it's a long-term project, but it never happens if you don't work on it. ↩︎
You haven't addressed by far the most important pro-Trump point - the left is worse and much more dangerous. Yes, Trump is a short-sighted clueless evil bumbling buffoon - therefore only psychopaths and fools could wholeheartedly endorse his vision, and so, unless they could somehow come to dominate the country, Trumpism isn't a long-term concern. Whereas basically the entire "blue tribe" elite endorses wokeness as being the-right-side-of-history continuation of liberal ideals. To the extent that Trump frustrates their "progress" and provides the opportunity for the elite to come to its senses (or be replaced by a not insane one) I say that he's the lesser evil.
therefore only psychopaths and fools could wholeheartedly endorse his vision, and so, unless they could somehow come to dominate the country, Trumpism isn't a long-term concern
And yet Trump-like figures have obtained power outside of the United States as well. I think the demand for Trumpism goes beyond just the personal allure of the man himself, even though that has also been a critical part of uplifting the Republicans' electoral success.
unless they could somehow come to dominate the country
They don't need to dominate the country. Just dominating one of the two major parties is enough. Trump has remade the Republican party in his image. Those who opposed him (John McCain, Mitt Romney, the "Never Trumpers," Fox News after the first primary debate in 2015, etc.) have either died, lost primary elections, voluntarily retired from politics, or joined the left. Fundamental policy prescriptions that Republicans had long stood for (freedom of business, increased international trade, increased immigration, interventionism in foreign affairs, etc.) have either been turned on their heads or been fundamentally altered to align with Trump's policy views. Personal supporters of Trump, along with right-wing influencers like Laura Loomer, are obtaining more and more influence with every passing day. The "adults in the room" from the first administration (such as generals who kept the nation on track) have all either left or in some cases publicly denounced Trump, and they have been replaced with sycophantic lickspittles. Trump made the 2024 Republican primary a referendum on the 2020 election Big Lie, and everyone who didn't fully buy into it was unceremoniously hoisted out of the party.
Giving power to an authoritarian who spits on fundamental liberal and constitutional principles isn't the worst thing ever, as long as that's temporary. But if doing so means also giving the authoritarian the levers through which he can purge one of the two main political institutions in the country of anyone who disagrees with him, well... that enshrines his control far into the future.
To the extent that Trump frustrates their "progress" and provides the opportunity for the elite to come to its senses (or be replaced by a not insane one) I say that he's the lesser evil.
Has any of this happened? It seems to me the wokeness craze of 2019-2022 was in large part caused by Trump, in the sense that the left reacted to the 2016 election and the perception that America was fundamentally rotten at the core as a result of someone (in their eyes) so obviously unqualified becoming president by turning ever more towards left-progressivism.
Trump obtaining political power doesn't seem to have made the left or the elites any more sane, in my estimation. Quite the opposite.
And yet Trump-like figures have obtained power outside of the United States as well. I think the demand for Trumpism goes beyond just the personal allure of the man himself, even though that has also been a critical part of uplifting the Republicans’ electoral success.
I'm claiming that Trump mainly channels the protest against the "respectable" elite consensus, and sure, people are fed up with it not only in the US.
Trump has remade the Republican party in his image.
Yep, because it was brain dead already, he pushed and the corpse toppled over. This is a blessing and a curse for the Dems - neither Trump nor anybody else on the right seems likely to offer any positive vision any time soon, so all the Dems have to do is to just be slightly less repulsive, something they impressively managed to bungle twice already!
Has any of this happened?
Yes. They aren't in (complete) power, therefore some of the agenda has been slowed down.
It seems to me the wokeness craze of 2019-2022 was in large part caused by Trump
And Trump in 2016 was in large part caused by what was then called the SJW craze of 2008-2015. So it goes.
Trump obtaining political power doesn’t seem to have made the left or the elites any more sane, in my estimation. Quite the opposite.
Yeah, I'm not optimistic. Maybe benevolent robot overlords will swoop in to the rescue against all odds after all?
I'm not sure how many people there are on LW who will say that they are generally Trump supporters and would vote for him again given the chance, but as one of them I wanted to chime in here. Most probably won't agree with what I'm posting but I hope at least this perspective is new to some people.
I want to respond to two things in this post where @Bentham's Bulldog did not include anything I felt represented my view.
This is a Gish Gallop in the most literal sense--it's a combination of enough arguments that no person could reasonably respond to all of them with enough comprehensiveness to rebut them.
If you're starting out with an intention to rebut the post, and are in a time-limited debate environment, then the fact that it gives a lot of evidence is certainly inconvenient. But if you want to figure out for yourself whether the post is right or wrong, and have as much time for it as you like, then more evidence is good.
Moreover, checking for yourself becomes even easier if the evidence is disjunctive: not organized into long delicate chains, but a thicket of many almost independent claims that point in the same direction. As is the case with this post. For checking, you can select some sub-claims randomly, or pick the strongest ones, and deep dive into them. They'll either check out or won't, and this will give you pretty good statistical confidence about the post as a whole.
This post doesn’t really give evidence, though. What it gives is arguments.[1]
And when those arguments aren’t targeted properly—when they don’t address what they would have to address, in order to be convincing—they do not help you figure out anything useful. Then all that remains is rebuttal.
And the arguments are very, very bad. OP seems to have made no effort to understand why the people whom he’s ostensibly trying to convince believe the things they believe. I’m not convinced that he even knows what those things are, really. Talk of “failing the ITT” would be farcical here; there’s not even a hint of an attempt to pass any such test. ↩︎
I mean, yeah? I'm not entitled enough to say that people must understand why I believe the (possibly wrong) things that I believe. People don't have to pass my ITT in order to talk to me. They can just tell me why they believe what they believe, and I can figure it out from there.
In general you are of course correct, but this post is not just telling us why OP believes what he believes; its purpose is to persuade a specific category of people (“Trump supporters”).
I would be actually surprised if any Trump supporters were persuaded by the OP, for surely they have heard all of this before.
I expect we are all familiar with the adage that "politics is the mind-killer", but while that maxim can be taken too far, I don't see this post as meeting the bar for setting it aside.
But as it has been posted...are there any Trump supporters here who have anything to say? Were I a Trump supporter (or for that matter, not a Trump supporter), I would be far more concerned by the possibility that Trump is Putin's poodle, and that the only limit on how far he will sabotage America's interests and those of the West generally is what he (or rather, Putin) can get away with without provoking a coup.
I would be actually surprised if any Trump supporters were persuaded by the OP, for surely they have heard all of this before.
I agree. The forum that I run has quite a few people who… probably wouldn’t describe themselves as “Trump supporters”, but who voted for him. The arguments against Trump that they themselves sometimes offer are of vastly higher quality than what’s in the OP.
(And, needless to say, all the arguments given in the OP have been discussed many times, and rebuttals given. Whether the rebuttals are ultimately convincing isn’t something I care to opine about, but a post that doesn’t acknowledge that these arguments have been given before, and are considered either to have been rebutted, or to be hilariously mis-aimed in the first place, seems like a waste of everyone’s time.)
The fact is that the OP is a classic case of “rehearsing your arguments”, for the benefit of people who already believe them.
I'm just wondering though, what's meant by high quality arguments here? Sophistication? Unfortunately I've found that someone can make very erudite galaxy-brain arguments and still be wrong about almost everything, like Yarvin. And some simple-minded argument for the opposite side may be in fact right. So argument quality is not a superficial thing, you can't tell it from the tone.
With regard to the arguments in the OP, I mean yeah, they sound pretty basic. But where they overlap with stuff I actually know, they seem right to me. The Laos thing for example I've known about for many years, and the post's simple-minded condemnation of US actions there is simply right. While the galaxy-brained justifications of these actions (at least the ones I've read) are wrong.
Well, let’s look at an example. The first substantive point concerns foreign aid (and PEPFAR in particular). OP says:
Trump has gutted foreign aid. This decision is likely to kill millions of people, many of them children.
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Thus, the facts are clear: Trump’s foreign aid cuts will cause large numbers of people to die. Depending on exactly when they’re reversed, they are likely to kill millions of people, potentially tens of millions.
For this argument to be “high-quality”, it would have to, as a bare minimum, make some attempt—any attempt at all—to acknowledge (and, if we’re feeling really ambitious, to rebut) the obvious rejoinder to this, which is that doing harm is not the same thing as allowing harm. Many, perhaps most, of the people who oppose PEPFAR, do not believe that terminating PEPFAR kills anyone at all! This is not because they disagree with the OP about physically observable facts[1], but because they do not share his philosophical commitments. So, for anyone with a view like that, the whole section is… basically pointless.
And this isn’t, as you can see, a question of “sophistication” or “galaxy-brain” arguments. It’s just a matter of giving any thought whatsoever to why anyone might have the views that they have.
Please note that this is just one example of one problem with one argument in the OP. Even that one section of the post, about foreign aid, has tendentious, mistaken, misleading, or nonsensical rhetoric and arguments in almost every single paragraph. I could very easily write a comment that’s five times longer than this one, just dissecting the problems with that one section. I only picked the most immediately obvious problem, the one that jumped right out at me on even a casual skim.
And note also that the post is not just a straightforward account of what OP thinks, what convinced him of his views, why he believes as he does. He goes through the motions of addressing the alleged views of hypothetical opponents, of anticipating supposed counterarguments, etc. But because he doesn’t seem to have a very good idea of what any actual proponents of the views he argues against think and value, those motions are almost wholly wasted.
Although they may do that, too, I don’t know. OP’s record certainly does not incline me to trust him to accurately report anything, so if I were more invested in this topic, and cared to rebut the post in detail, I would absolutely want to check every one of his factual claims very carefully. ↩︎
To me this philosophical counterargument still counts as "galaxy brain". Doing vs allowing harm is not the issue. It's much simpler: if one president does a good thing and another one cancels it, then we're allowed to compare who's better or worse on this aspect. The only possible way to defeat this is to argue that PEPFAR wasn't a good thing. If you or datasecretslox folks want to argue that, go ahead!
Well, yes, of course people do argue that PEPFAR wasn’t a good thing. (Searching for “PEPFAR” on DSL should guide you to some relevant discussion topics.) I agree that this is a very straightforward point to address (and I will add that the OP does not do well on this point, either).
But I think you dismiss the “doing vs. allowing harm” point much too readily. The key point here[1] is that the U.S. federal government (a.k.a. “USG”) is not, or at least should not be, a machine for vacuuming up taxpayer money and turning it into arbitrary, generic “good things”. If something that USG does is, in some sense, “a good thing”, that’s just not enough to justify doing it. There are many, many things which USG could do which are “good things” in some sense. It is neither feasible nor sensible to try to do them all.
On the other hand, USG should avoid doing bad things. This is quite straightforward: doing bad things is bad, etc.
And, indeed, the argument in the OP is not simply that PEPFAR was “a good thing”, and that it shouldn’t’ve been canceled, on the grounds that less good things is worse than more good things. On the contrary, the claim is made that canceling PEPFAR will “kill millions of people” (“many of them children”, “potentially tens of millions”, etc.). That’s very different from “less good things is worse than more good things”, “we’re allowed to compare who’s better or worse”, etc.! That is saying that Trump did a very bad thing.
And the “doing vs. allowing harm” objection is thus a direct rebuttal to that point, which says “nope, no bad thing was done here; the number of people who will be killed by foreign aid cuts is zero”. This completely eliminates most of the moral force of the OP’s argument in the second sesion.
Please note that I am here summarizing the views of others more so than I am expressing my own views, though I am obviously putting my own gloss on things. ↩︎
DSL search isn't accessible without login, and the site seems to disallow Google search as well. I patiently Ctrl+F'd through the very long Trump Shuts Down USAID thread, but didn't find any good arguments why PEPFAR wasn't good. If you know such arguments, maybe you can summarize?
DSL search isn’t accessible without login
Ah, right you are—very sorry! Ok, let’s see then… relevant discussions include:
In particular, the following posts are relevant to the “was PEPFAR actually good in any sense or any way” question:
It's only ~2x the length of the "EA Case for Trump" argument that was passed around last year and I at least had very little trouble responding point-by-point to.
I have tried to place this critique in the context of my framework for thinking about American politics, and about Trump 2.0 in particular. I see three political ideologies at work in American life, which we could call nationalism (espoused by Trump Republicans), liberalism (espoused by establishment Democrats), and socialism (espoused by social justice Democrats). (In the new political compass due to YouTuber JREG, these correspond to what he calls "post-racial fascism", "reactionary centrism", and "the balkanized left", with "e/acc" being novel enough to form its own category.) Meanwhile, as a synopsis of the agenda of Trumpian nationalism, I think Steve Bannon's three-point summary is pretty good: cut immigration, fix jobs-and-trade, and stop the forever wars. There's lots more going on in Trump 2.0, but those three imperatives are very visible.
This allows me to start relating this critique to my own framework. Part 6 is specifically about one of those three imperatives, immigration. Part 7 and half of part 9 are about economic management (jobs, trade, the deficit). Part 8 and part 10 both say something about Trump's policy on war and peace.
Parts 4 (J6 as coup), 5 (authoritarianism), and 8 (lies and corruption), it seems to me, are about Trump's practice of politics - the way that Trump pursues his agenda, what he does to take and keep power, and his self-interested use of it.
This leaves part 2 (foreign aid), part 3 (vaccines and medical research), half of part 9 (farm animal welfare). These might be regarded as miscellaneous minor parts of the Trump agenda which (in the author's opinion) have exceptionally negative consequences. However, these also offer us a glimpse of some broader features of Trump 2.0.
For example, I have characterized Trump 2.0 as a coalition of alternative intellectual narratives from outside the institutions, that survived online and which now have power over the institutions. This includes Tulsi Gabbard's anti-war sentiment, Epstein conspiracism (though they've tried to disown that one), immigration restriction... and the subject of part 3, RFK Jr's anti-vax MAHA agenda.
A related phenomenon is that there are often ideas behind Trump 2.0 actions, but you don't hear about the ideas, you only hear about the actions. Bannon's three-point synopsis of what Trumpian nationalism stands for, might be the biggest example. Then there are the economists like Robert Lighthizer and Stephen Miran who offer unconventional rationales for Trump economic policy. In the case of foreign aid (part 2), Ross Douthat at the New York Times interviewed a Trump State Department official, Jeremy Lewin, who said that the new agenda on foreign aid is about re-subordinating it to US government policy, after a period in which it was run quasi-autonomously by the NGOs themselves.
On the other hand, overturning laws against cruelty to farm animals (part 9), I would consider to be an example of Trump's business-friendly bias in favor of deregulation. We also saw that in an area of particular interest to Less Wrong, the AI industry.
A final defense: why spend money helping out people in other countries? A nation’s obligation is to its own! The people saved by foreign aid aren’t Americans, so why should we bother to help them? In response:
I think the big thing to me is American culture kinda says we should. Think of some of the most famous uniquely American cultural icons in modern history, the Superhero. People with power above almost every other person who protects and helps other just because they believe it's the responsible thing to do with power. One of the most famous American media quotes ever is Uncle Ben's "With great power comes great responsibility" line.
Or take Star Trek. Starfleet and the federation runs humanitarian programs all across the galaxy. From providing medical supplies to war torn areas to helping Bajor recover in DS9 (although that is helped by the discovery of the wormhole in the area). As the Star Trek wiki itself points out
One of Starfleet's primary duties was to offer humanitarian aid whenever possible. (VOY: "Learning Curve", "Counterpoint")
In the TOS episode Whom God Destroys Kirk talks about the humanitarian dreams of these founders
They were humanitarians and statesmen, and they had a dream-- a dream that became a reality and spread throughout the stars, a dream that made Mr. Spock and me brothers.
So much of the positive optimistic American culture and media is dedicated to a similar idea, that it is good to help people just for the sake of it, especially when you're powerful.
That doesn't mean you should do everything everywhere all the time. For example the Federation officially maintains a non-interference rule for less advanced civilizations, and while it's often breached in the goal of helping others, it is an acknowledgement that involvement isn't always the correct option. And in Sanctuary the topic of helping refugees find a new homeworld clashing with the resource struggles of Bajor at the moment is treated with respect to both sides, though siding more towards aid as the correct solution there.
And in media like The Amazing Spider-man issues #31-33 and the movie Spider-Man 2 Peter's struggle balancing his personal life with his superhero is a central part of the plot.
And reflecting this, the US has a strong history of bipartisan aid efforts. PEPFAR can only be cut because it existed to begin with, and USAID was made in the 60s surviving all the way till now! Heck even now the main arguments out of the admin aren't that we shouldn't help people, but instead that the programs are corrupt or counterproductive or hurting us too much in giving (like the Bajor refugee example). They say "America first", not America Only.
Now I have my disagreements about these claims, and I think the way we went about it even if they were true about some parts is still irresponsible but even in rhetoric they can't find themselves saying that helping others is wrong! I don't know what they do and don't personally believe, but it suggests something there.
And polling also seems to suggest that Americans are pretty pro help, they just don't really have a grasp on the reality of foreign aid.
the November poll finds the median estimate of the percentage of the federal budget most Americans think is spent on foreign aid is 25%. When you ask Americans how much would be appropriate to spend on foreign assistance, the median response is 10%. In fact, only a little over 1% of the federal budget currently goes to foreign assistance.
Like yeah if I thought a quarter of my taxes (or even more for a pretty good portion of respondents) were going to foreign aid I would be in support of scaling that back too! I think a lot of other people advocating for programs like PEPFAR would feel the same way. But even with that Americans still name a pretty hefty amount of aid they want to provide. Now I don't think we can take the exact number too seriously, the American public is bad with percentages and likely doesn't realize just how big that is either but the direction is there towards helping people in need around the world.
In that sense your question of "The people saved by foreign aid aren’t Americans, so why should we bother to help them?" is practically a weakman, because it seems most Americans do believe we are obligated to help others and their opposition is mostly operating under the idea that we spend insanely large amounts of money to do it, that our country is in such a state of emergency that we need to focus everything on ourselves first (like the Bajor refugee example), or that it's corrupt/fraud being used to smuggle in unrelated things like "leftist propaganda" (like Musk highlighting the spending he considered woke) rather than an actual opposition towards aid to those in need. The people saying we shouldn't help anyone are small in number and not representative of the general population.
Edit: This last point I think is actually the case with a lot of these topics. For example Americans are still pretty favorable of immigration. Trump's [previous] popularity on the topic might seem like it comes from a strong "we hate foreigners coming here" perspective, but polling + actual talks with people suggests it's more like a foreign aid situation. They don't want zero immigration, in fact they quite like accepting legal immigrants. They are just concerned about the ideas of criminals and bad actors sneaking in through loopholes or people being lazy and living off aid instead of working. The opposition to deporting those seen as hard workers here in the country is shown with Joe Rogan for example, one of America's most popular podcasters who had endorsed Trump this very election! Likewise, I imagine the average person's perception of immigration is off with reality but they don't seem to be against immigration nearly as much as the admin is.
Edit2: And I live in a Trump+20 rural area! My talks with people seem to suggest that even quite a bit of supporters are still generally favorable of immigration as an idea. Many seem to be happy overall because they think Trump is removing lots of dangerous criminals, but they do seem to think the removal of workers is just unfortunate collateral to this. Maybe it's a selection bias of what type of Trump supporters I interact with in my life, but they are still Trump supporters. Like the lady who runs the cleaning company I use, she was boldly in support of Trump and yet many of her workers are Mexicans and she speaks Spanish.
I think a lot of politicians and pundits see victory as support for going all out, but in reality a lot of people are only marginally favorable. They were scared of criminals and welfare thieves, not farm workers and house cleaners and landscapers.
One of the most famous American media quotes ever is Uncle Ben’s “With great power comes great responsibility” line.
Yes. And in the context of Spider-Man, it was about a situation where Spider-Man should have helped people when it had little cost to himself. It was, of course, used to explain why Spider-Man went out superheroing, but as such it didn't actually make sense.
Now I have my disagreements about these claims, and I think the way we went about it even if they were true about some parts is still irresponsible but even in rhetoric they can’t find themselves saying that helping others is wrong! I don’t know what they do and don’t personally believe, but it suggests something there.
Not many people think that helping others is wrong. But "wrong" and "not an obligation" are very different things.
Yes. And in the context of Spider-Man, it was about a situation where Spider-Man should have helped people when it had little cost to himself. It was, of course, used to explain why Spider-Man went out superheroing, but as such it didn't actually make sense.
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say but Spider-Man goes out saving people because he has the power to save people. Like much of early superheroes, they're aspirational. And Stan Lee was pretty blatant about this https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/nov/13/superpower-luck-stan-lee-quotes-comic-characters
“Another definition of a hero is someone who is concerned about other people’s well-being, and will go out of his or her way to help them – even if there is no chance of a reward. That person who helps others simply because it should or must be done, and because it is the right thing to do, is indeed without a doubt, a real superhero.”
A hero to Stan Lee is a person who helps because they feel it is right to help.
Not many people think that helping others is wrong. But "wrong" and "not an obligation" are very different things.
That's true they are different, but helping others being inherently good is imbedded deep in American culture! Also not just media, the most believed in religious text of our country has plenty to say about helping those in need for the sake of it
And USAID was something that many religious charity groups worked with due to similar goals.
C.R.S. is governed by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops with the mission to serve the poorest and most vulnerable overseas. In 2023, it worked in about 120 countries serving over 200 million people through 1,000 projects. It serves people on the basis of need, not creed. U.S.A.I.D. has provided funding and non-financial support to C.R.S. for decades, accounting for about 50 to 60 percent of its budget, or between $500 million and $700 million per year. C.R.S. works with and through 2,000 field partners, about half of which include local Catholic parishes and dioceses. U.S.A.I.D. has been a significant and longtime partner of the U.S. and global Catholic Church.
I’m not entirely sure what you’re trying to say but Spider-Man goes out saving people because he has the power to save people.
The incident that supposedly taught Spider-Man that with great power comes great responsibility was him refusing to stop a criminal and the criminal killing Uncle Ben. But in that story, he could have stopped the criminal easily, with negligible loss to himself.
What did not happen in that story is that someone asked Spider-Man to give up his social life for six months being a hero, he refused, and Uncle Ben would have lived if only he had stopped some particular criminal 20 miles away at 1 AM during the fourth month. The lesson that Spider-Man took out of it--that he has to help people at great expense to himself--doesn't match the actual event--where he should have helped someone at no expense to himself.
the most believed in religious text of our country has plenty to say about helping those in need for the sake of it
Are you a religious person? Do you believe we should run society according to the Bible? I am not, and I do not.
And the main problem with USAID, as others have pointed out, is that helping people was entangled up with promotion of left-wing politics. Saying that we are forced to keep promoting the left-wing politics because otherwise we wouldn't be saving people is a hostage puppy.
The incident that supposedly taught Spider-Man that with great power comes great responsibility was him refusing to stop a criminal and the criminal killing Uncle Ben. But in that story, he could have stopped the criminal easily, with negligible loss to himself.
In the original Amazing Fantasy #15, Spider-man declines to stop a burglar in a building earlier that day. A police officer is like "hey mister, all you had to do was trip them for me" and Spider-man is like "no, all of that is your problem, I'm through doing things for other it's all about me." He wanted to be a TV star.
Then later (days later), Peter arrives home one evening to find a police car stopped in front of his house. Uncle Ben was shot in a burglary and it was the same guy as he learns in the warehouse. (Interestingly enough, Ben at the time did not say his famous line, the text is there as commentary but Ben himself did not say it).
Uncle Ben would have lived if only he had stopped some particular criminal 20 miles away at 1 AM during the fourth month
So it's actually a lot closer to this. His failure to stop the random burglar at the store led to Uncle Ben dying.
The lesson that Spider-Man took out of it--that he has to help people at great expense to himself--doesn't match the actual event--where he should have helped someone at no expense to himself.
It's not like the criminal was aiming at Uncle Ben and Spider-man just refused to save him, it was an incident multiple days (maybe even weeks) before where he refused to intervene! And Peter doesn't want the pain he experienced to happen to others.
It's very similar reasoning to Batman, he has no reason to take up the mantle and fight crime past his parents murderers but he does so anyway. They are empathetic and caring people. They are aspirational stories about the moral responsibility to do good for others, they're pretty blatant about it and even Stan Lee literally says that is what makes a hero.
Are you a religious person? Do you believe we should run society according to the Bible? I am not, and I do not.
No I am not religious, but in a general point about American society America's main religion is extremely relevant. The guiding moral philosophy of most Americans says helping out others is what God wants of them.
And the main problem with USAID, as others have pointed out, is that helping people was entangled up with promotion of left-wing politics. Saying that we are forced to keep promoting the left-wing politics because otherwise we wouldn't be saving people is a hostage puppy.
That's a perfectly fair argument if you think it's not being done properly. Why exactly getting rid of the left wing parts requires the killing off programs like PEPFAR and other very useful and helpful programs that even major charities (like the Vatican which isn't some incredible left wing propaganda group) say are helpful is beyond me, but if your argument is that it is necessary then fine.
I never said USAID is perfect, and there are potential reasons it needs to be dismantled even at the possible costs of millions of lives. Just that "We shouldn't help others out" is a very niche view in the US to the point of basically being a weakman argument, even Republicans still seem to poll 5% of government funding going to foreign aid.
So it’s actually a lot closer to this. His failure to stop the random burglar at the store led to Uncle Ben dying.
Yes, but as you yourself note:
A police officer is like “hey mister, all you had to do was trip them for me”
Spider-Man could have stopped him with negligible cost to himself.
“We shouldn’t help others out” is a very niche view in the US to the point of basically being a weakman argument,
But it's not "we shouldn't help others out". It's "we are not obligated to help others out". That's very different.
The case against tariffs can be even made clearer. I am a German. Few days ago, I heard in the radio, that by the end of this year, China will most likely overtake the US as the country where Germany buys most from.
The main reason for this, the radio commentators said, is the Trump tariff.
We (Germans) are apparently buying less from the US and more from China.
It is easy to understand and logical: if two vendors (US, China) offer the same kind of product... And the US increases prices by 15÷ (at least), we buy less from the US and more from China.
Not sure why this article was downvoted so much! I think it's better researched, more careful, and the arguments are overall substantially better than the "Case For Trump" published here last year. But that one had net 12 karma and (as of my comment) this post is sitting at -21.
Crosspost of my blog.
There isn’t much attempted political persuasion these days. Most political discussions devolve to what Scott Alexander has called ethnic tension—vaguely attempting to smear the other side, to give them bad karma, without arguing against their preferred policy on the merits. Much of it involves personally smearing people who vote for the other candidate.
I think it is often possible to convince people by simply laying out arguments in a straightforward and factual manner. Though that’s often less entertaining than the hundredth Tweet about how Republicans are racist or Democrats hate hot women, it’s a lot more likely to be persuasive. Thus, I thought I’d lay out, in fairly comprehensive fashion, the reasons I think Trump is a bad president, especially this term. I’d encourage you to share this post with Trump supporters and to restack it—while persuasion doesn’t always work, simply laying out the case, in detail, for true things is important, and it can often convince people.
In my view, the case against Trump is overwhelming, so much so that the two most prominent people who tried to lay out careful and evidence-based cases for Trump in 2024 both walked their position back. I debated Richard Hanania about whether to vote for Trump—he now regrets his vote. Trump is completely horrible on numerous fronts; he does many different things, each of which would be enough by themselves to make him a horrible president.
In case you want to skip ahead, here’s the title of every section:
Trump has gutted foreign aid. This decision is likely to kill millions of people, many of them children.
At the start of his administration, Trump signed an executive order shutting off nearly all foreign aid. Then, Elon Musk and DOGE spent the next several months feeding USAID into the woodchipper—dismantling most of it. As a result, the Trump administration has blocked billions of dollars of funding for foreign aid, including for efforts to combat malaria, tuberculosis, and HIV.
This included cuts for PEPFAR which is arguably the most effective government program in recent history. It annually costs about 14 dollars per American, and saved somewhere around 19 million lives since its implementation under George W. Bush. The Trump administration has seriously undermined it in several ways.
The PEPFAR cuts alone could very well cost millions of lives. It’s already conservatively cost around 100,000 lives, and numbers of deaths are only increasing. And while it’s hard to figure out exactly how many lives PEPFAR saved, it’s easy to see it saved many—just look at this chart of HIV deaths before and after PEPFAR:
You have to screw up pretty badly to eviscerate the best government program in the last 30 years. And this is just one of the many programs Trump has undermined. Foreign aid—despite taking up less than 1% of the budget—has been significantly wrecked.
This will likely cause millions of deaths, according to the studies that have been done on the topic. One report claimed USAID (eliminated by Trump) saved 92 million lives in the last two decades. Another study estimated that 7.9 million extra children would die in the next 15 years, and a lower end estimate guessed foreign aid saves about 3 million lives a year. If we assume Trump will halve the lives saved by foreign aid and go by the low-end estimate, this means his cuts would cause over 22 million deaths in the next 15 years—consistent with another study estimating 25 million excess deaths from foreign aid cuts.
So, on its face, it looks like Trump’s foreign aid cuts will bring about over ten million extra deaths if not reversed. However, there are various defenses that people give of the foreign aid cuts. Let me address them in turn.
A first defense: why should we spend so much on foreign aid? Why can’t the rest of the world pay for stuff, when we disproportionately foot the bill? In reality, we spend less per capita on foreign aid than other industrialized nations. America isn’t getting taken advantage of and giving too much—we give far too little. Also, even if other countries were slacking, it would still be good to prevent millions of deaths.
A second defense: the millions of deaths numbers are inflated because other countries will fill in. If the U.S. stops funding these programs, it is argued, other countries will take them up. In reality, however, other countries have tended to cut aid in response to the U.S. cuts. While some countries have spent more, others have cut their aid budgets after we cut ours. 2025 is the first time in nearly 30 years that France, Germany, the U.S., and the UK have all cut foreign aid budgets.
So this defense backfires. If anything, it makes foreign aid cuts even worse!
A third defense: why can’t other countries pay for these programs? If African countries love AIDS medicine so much, can’t they fund it? This isn’t a defense so much as a question. And it ignores that:
A fourth defense: the PEPFAR recipients are homosexual. Why should we fund them? This response has been popular on the right. However:
A fifth defense: foreign aid doesn’t work that well. Various people have claimed that foreign aid isn’t particularly effective and often backfires, making countries dependent on us. Now, overall I don’t think that’s super plausible. My read of the literature is that development aid tends to be positive.
But more importantly, the kind of foreign aid that’s controversial is economic development aid that comes with strings attached. There’s basically no serious dispute about the efficacy of PEPFAR or anti-malaria programs. The most famous critics of aid like William Easterly support these programs.
A final defense: why spend money helping out people in other countries? A nation’s obligation is to its own! The people saved by foreign aid aren’t Americans, so why should we bother to help them? In response:
Thus, the facts are clear: Trump’s foreign aid cuts will cause large numbers of people to die. Depending on exactly when they’re reversed, they are likely to kill millions of people, potentially tens of millions.
The federal government has declared war on vaccine development and medical research. The death toll of this decision could number in the millions.
Vaccines have saved about 150 million lives in the last 50 years. They are a marvel of modern medicine, and among our best defense against new diseases. Despite this, the Trump administration has been systematically undermining vaccine development and distribution.
The recent mRNA vaccines have been particularly effective, saving millions of lives (see here for the comprehensive case that they’ve been extremely beneficial and here for more detailed rebuttals to all the anti-vaxxer objections). The evidence for the effectiveness of mRNA vaccines comes from:
mRNA technology is also one of the most promising forthcoming technologies for curing cancer. This means that the administration’s targeted war on vaccines—especially mRNA technology—increases the probability that you and your loved ones will die of cancer. Once again, the body count of the current administration’s policies could very well number in the millions. Specifically, the administration has:
I seriously don’t know what the defense of these cuts is supposed to be—unless one is an anti-vaxxer who is broadly opposed to modern medicine. Funding medical research is one of the best things the federal government does because it’s a public good; companies don’t capture the full benefits of new medical innovation and so pharmaceutical innovation is drastically underfunded. Slashing it for no reason is idiotic! Even on purely economic grounds, every dollar spent on medical innovation returns around $2.56. American medical innovation has saved millions of lives from cancer alone.
I’ve been pelting you with a lot of statistics, so let me just say one thing to make concrete how completely horrendous this is: the GAVI cuts are likely to kill a million children. That means its death toll, if not reversed, will be worse than that of the Iraq War, Ukraine war, and Gaza war combined. This is absolutely despicable behavior.
Here is a troubling fact that I think is not discussed often enough: Donald Trump attempted a coup.
A coup occurs when a non-legitimately elected leader attempts to illegally seize power. Trump attempted this after he lost in 2020. I’ve laid out the evidence in more detail, so let me just review the basic facts.
First, Trump lost and he knew he lost. We know he knew he lost because:
Second, in all the contested swing states, Trump tried to get the state legislatures to certify totally fake and fraudulent electors who would declare him the winner. This is insane. Because he lost in the real electoral college, he tried to get totally fake electors certified. When state legislatures didn’t go along with his plan, he Tweeted intimidatingly about them, causing them to face serious security risks. He also lied to the fake electors, telling them that they were a backup if the court challenges went through, when he was really planning to get the state legislatures to approve them even if the challenges didn’t go through.
Third, after his plan failed in the legislatures, he tried to get Mike Pence to illegally certify the fake electors rather than the real ones. He tried to get Pence to act on the totally bogus legal theory that the VP gets to unilaterally declare the winner of the election. If Pence had gone along with it, this would have triggered a serious constitutional crisis, with the president who controls the military carrying out a totally illegal scheme.
Fourth, Trump called a mob to the capitol. The express purpose of January 6 protestors was to pressure Pence to overturn the election. Then, while the mob stormed the capitol, chanting “hang Mike Pence,” Trump Tweeted:
“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
He then sat around for hours doing nothing as the mob continued storming. Multiple people around him begged him to call off the mob. He did nothing. Trump defenders answer me this: why did Trump not call off the mob when the people around him begged him to? Why was his response to Kevin McCarthy’s request to call off the mob “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”
Fifth, this almost triggered a constitutional crisis. If Pence or the state legislators had gone along with it, there would have been an obviously illegal action done by the president to hold on to power. The Democrats would obviously sue, the courts would overturn it, and then there would be a conflict between the sitting commander in chief and the courts. Violence could have very well broken out in the streets. That’s what happens when coups happen; a coup is what he attempted. And he got frighteningly close.
If you attempt a coup, you should never be within a one-hundred mile radius of power. And no, whining about Trump derangement syndrome does not do anything to challenge the factual record.
Here is one of the things that makes you sound like an annoying resistance lib but is undeniably true: Trump has a great many alarming, authoritarian tendencies.
Imagine if Joe Biden had sued a pollster for publishing a poll he didn’t like. That would have been alarming; the president should not be discouraging honest publications of polls. Well, Trump has sued Ann Selzer for publishing a poll that had him losing Iowa. The poll was wrong, but the president should not be using his power to sue private citizens for political reasons.
This is not the extent of his retribution—other efforts are even more frightening. He’s ordered a criminal investigation into those behind previous investigations of Trump, including Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney, Eugene Vindman, and Alexander Vindman; he’s also sued Jack Smith and Letitia James.
This sets an alarming precedent that those who investigate the president face legal jeopardy. Imagine how you would react if Hillary Clinton criminally investigated the people who investigated the emails affair. You should be vastly more alarmed that across the board, Trump is using the power of the federal government to target all of the people who investigated him.
Trump has repeatedly declared totally bogus national emergencies, including using them to enact tariffs (traditionally the purview of congress) and put troops on the ground illegally in American cities. Now, sending troops into American cities doesn’t automatically make you authoritarian, but when you combine it with a president who has demonstrated profound disregard for procedures (including ignoring the law on multiple occasions) and attempted retribution against his political opponents, there’s a serious risk of authoritarianism.
In addition, the government is increasingly being staffed by pansies and loyalists whose sole devotion is to Trump and others in his administration. Kash Patel went so far as using lie detector tests to ask people if they’d spoken badly about him (Patel). Trump has appointed Fox News hosts to high levels of government (if you’re against DEI programs that appoint incompetent people because of their skin color, then you should also be against DEI programs that appoint incompetent people because they were on Fox).
The administration dropped corruption charges against Eric Adams in exchange for cooperation with federal immigration enforcement. This is pretty blatant corruption, and signals the administration’s willingness to use heavy-handed tactics to get what it wants.
Then there is the recent redistricting action. In short, Trump wanted extra seats in the house, so he called up Abbott—who was initially reluctant—to gerrymander and get a few extra districts (the flagrant corruption is astounding). When Texas lawmakers left the state in order to avoid a congressional session, Trump sent in the FBI to track them down. So in short, Trump used federal power to directly involve himself in state-level issues, so he could have extra members in the House of Representatives.
This is very different from normal gerrymandering, which occurs in an orderly way after new census data comes in every decade. This is midway through the decade, flagrant gerrymandering to pick up new seats.
When Democratic states moved to retaliate by their own redistricting, federal troops were sent in to monitor the California press conference. This was an act of clear political intimidation (once again, take a moment to reflect on what your reaction would be if Democrats did such a thing).
Then, there are, of course, the deportations. Rümeysa Öztürk was kept in detention for months because she wrote a mild op-ed criticizing Israel. Similar things have happened to other students, who have been deported for being critical of Israel. I oppose cancel culture, wherein people face serious negative consequences for speech. This is the mother lode of cancel culture and a serious assault on free expression. Again, imagine how you’d feel if Biden deported immigrants for being critical of his foreign policy.
Trump also fired the head of the Bureau of Labor Statistics because he published a job report that Trump didn’t like. This is North Korea stuff—firing a person for publishing accurate jobs data, because it made Trump look bad, and replacing him with a lackey sycophant. This is also likely to be very bad for the economy, because investors rely on accurate data.
Then there are the federal actions that are far outside his purview. The federal government has been suing universities for alleged anti-semitism—forcing them to pay millions of dollars in the settlement. These deals have given the federal government a role in determining how students are admitted at private universities. Federal attacks have explicitly targeted universities that don’t go along with federal directives on diversity programs, transgender athletes, and Israel protests. He’s even tried to block Harvard from accepting international students.
He’s also tried to disbar various universities from being non-profits, attempted to tax college endowments, withheld federal funds from universities, and threatened universities’ ability to receive financial aid. This is a clear attempt to have the federal government involved with the running of colleges. If you support small government, you should support getting the federal government the hell out of deciding what’s taught in college.
Even more alarming has been the assault on journalism. Voice of America, a U.S. based journalism broadcaster, has been largely dismantled, with many of its journalists deported. Trump has cut funding to PBS and NPR, in a clear display of partisanship (it’s no coincidence that these are groups that he’s felt are unfairly critical of him). Even if you oppose funding journalists—which you shouldn’t, because journalism is a public good, and thus likely to be underproduced in a free market—cutting funding for journalists you don’t like is worrisome. He’s also blocked journalists from the White House for refusing to repeat the dumb “Gulf of America” propaganda line.
The record is clear: Trump has been engaged repeatedly in alarming and authoritarian actions on many different fronts. Perhaps one or two of these could be excused, but them coming all at once makes it clear that he’s threatening serious authoritarian overreach.
I think the case for more immigration—especially legal immigration—is quite strong. When people immigrate to the United States, they become many times more productive. Innovation is the primary engine of increased wealth, and about half of new innovation comes from the children of immigrants. As Ian Hathaway notes “Almost half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by American immigrants or their children.”
Immigration restrictions are also immoral. They keep productive people in poor and destitute countries with high crime rates. You need a strong moral justification to justify keeping someone in Mexico when they want to come here. Seriously harming people requires serious justification. Remittances—money sent back overseas—make up a non-trivial portion of GDP in developing countries, and have a significantly positive impact on growth. Immigration restrictions are the most significant inhibitor of growth in the world, by far.
And contrary to what’s sometimes claimed, immigration doesn’t hurt wages. It boosts economic growth, positively contributing to long-run wage growth, and generally has zero or positive short term effect. Restrictive immigration has cost around 500,000 jobs. Nor does immigration undermine the culture; immigrants tend to assimilate rapidly, and generally come with more American values than traditional Americans. And the other objections to immigration are just as mistaken.
For these reasons, it’s alarming that Trump has declared an all-out war on immigration. Waiting times for green cards are up. Tens of thousands of people are being deported monthly, the vast majority with no criminal record. The Trump administration has moved to deport half a million legal immigrants, after stripping them of legal status. Almost a million people have been stripped of legal residence already and directed to self-deport. Trump has filed an executive order overturning birthright citizenship, meaning that people born here could be declared illegal and deported.
ICE has huge quotas it has to meet—3,000 deportations a day—so it’s been deporting people without due process. One person, after serving his criminal sentence, who was born in Laos was deported to Sudan—a place he’d never lived. He’d, in fact, lived in the U.S. for his entire life. ICE even deported a young boy with cancer.
And while some have claimed that these immigration policy shifts have created a boom in jobs for Americans, the data behind this is shaky (it’s likely based on reporting shifts in how people answer BLS questions and/or a statistical fluke). The data would also seem to indicate population growth nearly three times as fast as what’s also been observed, and the group from which the data is sourced has explicitly said that the data shouldn’t be used to illustrate job growth.
It’s one thing to oppose allowing in more immigrants. But yanking immigrants already here off the street—after they’ve worked here for years and immigrated legally—is unconscionable.
Then, there is the profound reduction in legal immigration. America has halted refugee intake entirely. Afghan immigrants have been detained for minor traffic violations. Andy Romero and others have been shipped to an El Salvadoran dungeon, rife with abuse, for having tattoos, where people have been beaten and sexually assaulted.
Now, one defense of Trump’s immigration policy is that he’s reduced border chaos and illegal immigration. But he’s done that by eliminating all asylum-seeking! And the only reason that immigration remained such an issue under Biden was that Trump killed a popular bipartisan border bill because he wanted to run on immigration. Republican justifications for opposing the bill were complete nonsense—for instance, people claimed it allowed 5,000 illegal immigrants in per day, when it really shut down the border if there were more than 5,000 border crossings on average per day over the course of a week, or more than 8,500 in a day. In other words, it placed a cap on the number of people who could be processed so that immigration wouldn’t be overloaded.
You’ll also get more illegal immigration if it’s harder to enter the country legally. That’s a reason for allowing in more legal immigrants and doing the opposite of what Trump has done.
Even if you support more restrictive immigration, the actions of the current president are a hideous blot on the soul of our nation. It has to stop. One cannot, in good conscience, support a president who yanks legal asylum seekers off the street to send them to an El Salvadoran torture dungeon. One cannot support a president who deports international students on a whim and tries to let fewer of them in—holding us back economically.
Under Trump, the economy hasn’t been doing that well.
Recent job-growth numbers have been vastly below expectations (though GDP has been doing better). However, in the first six months of the year, the GDP grew just 1.2%.
Economic growth appears to be slowing down. Consumer spending under Trump has leveled off:
Now, I don’t want to mislead: the economy isn’t doing catastrophically poorly. The sorts of economic indicators I’ve cited don’t make it obvious what effect Trump is having (the president is not the only cause of economic stagnation). But they’re at least mild causes of alarm. They at least rubbish the argument that the economy was doing badly under Biden but turned around under Trump.
Aside from shredding immigration, the main thing Trump has done to harm the economy is impose sweeping tariffs. The chart below illustrates the countries hit hardest by tariffs:
Early on in his presidency, Trump imposed totally insane, sweeping tariffs. Then he sort of walked them back and replaced them with 10% tariffs across the board, except on China where tariffs were higher. Now he’s adopted new, sweeping tariffs displayed above.
This is evil and stupid.
It’s evil because many of the countries hardest hit by tariffs are desperately poor countries. Take Laos, as an example. Laos has a GDP per capita of about $2,000 per year, and it’s largely because we bombed them back to the stone age during the Vietnam war. It’s immoral to tax desperately poor people who are poor because America destroyed their society. We similarly shouldn’t tax desperately poor South Africans, Libyans, and Iraqis. Poor countries are likely to be hit extremely hard by the tariffs. Lesotho’s economy, for example, is being completely shredded by tariffs, leading them to declare a state of emergency.
And the decision is stupid because tariffs are self-destructive. Economists overwhelmingly agree that tariffs are bad for the economy, and studies have borne this out. Even Garrett Jones, in a book book all about how terrible immigration is, notes that trade restrictions hurt growth, and that this result has confirmed by someone running 4 million regressions. Tariffs even tend to lower overall revenue, by leading to import contractions. The abstract of one study reads:
We study the macroeconomic consequences of tariffs. We estimate impulse response functions from local projections using a panel of annual data that spans 151 countries over 1963-2014. We find that tariff increases lead, in the medium term, to economically and statistically significant declines in domestic output and productivity. Tariff increases also result in more unemployment, higher inequality, and real exchange rate appreciation, but only small effects on the trade balance. The effects on output and productivity tend to be magnified when tariffs rise during expansions, for advanced economies, and when tariffs go up, not down. Our results are robust to a large number of perturbations to our methodology, and we complement our analysis with industry-level data.
Among economists, support for trade is about as uncontroversial as support for continental drift is among geologists. The Econ 101 is simple: tariffs make it so that people don’t engage in win-win exchanges because of the tax (and the reality is likely even worse than the econ 101 model predicts).
Suppose you have a product that you can produce for a dollar. I value it at two dollars. So you sell it to me at a price of $1.50. That’s win-win. But if there’s a tariff, then even though the exchange would have been worth it and benefitted us both, it can’t go through because we’re not willing to do it with the tax. Maybe I’ll buy the product from Americans, and you’ll sell it to someone in your home country, but that means Americans will be doing things they’re worse at, and you’ll be selling to people who want a product less. If one country is better at producing goods than another, then both benefit if they both do what they’re best at—tariffs, unfortunately, prevent comparative advantage from working.
The main defense of Trump’s tariffs is that because they’re reciprocal, they’ll get other countries to drop their tariffs. This, however, is a profound inversion of reality—the truth is precisely the opposite.
First of all, the tariffs are not reciprocal. There isn’t a positive relationship between the tariffs we impose on other countries and the tariffs they impose on us. In fact, disturbingly, we have higher tariffs on average against countries with lower tariffs against us, which is so profoundly idiotic it’s almost beyond belief.
The earlier round of tariffs was based on the trade deficit, which was stupid—the trade deficit has no relationship with how well an economy is doing, and is just an accounting feature of us buying a lot of stuff from other countries. We had a surplus throughout the great depression. But even that level of stupidity is surpassed by current tariffs, which don’t even correlate with the trade deficit.
So the first big problem with the argument that reciprocal tariffs work to get other countries to drop tariffs is that the tariffs imposed aren’t reciprocal. Instead they inversely correlate with tariffs, which is a bit like getting someone to stop slapping you by paying him money when he slaps you.
But the second problem is that the tariffs have had exactly the opposite effects. When countries are tariffed, they tend to impose tariffs back. And while a few countries like Zimbabwe and Cambodia have eliminated tariffs in response to U.S. tariffs, the general response has been the opposite. Places that have responded with tariffs of their own include Canada, Mexico, the EU, and China. Also, even if the tariffs worked, aggressively bullying countries has long-term unintended consequences; threatening to invade unless countries dropped tariffs would also lower tariff rates, but no one thinks it’s a good idea.
While it’s often claimed that Trump brought down inflation, this just isn’t true—inflation was going down before he was elected and he had little effect.
Overall, I think claims that Trump is good because he’s good for the economy are nonsense. The economy hasn’t gotten noticeably better under him—and he’s done lots of things that are bad for the economy like restricting immigration and imposing tariffs. All of this is likely to be outweighed by his long-term negative effects on growth by undermining innovation.
The current president of the United States is an openly corrupt liar.
Don Junior founded a nightclub called Executive Branch, which has a 500,000 dollar entry fee. By paying this fee, you can talk to and influence members of the administration who will hang around the club. Influence is openly bought and sold. Hunter Biden was accused of peddling his father’s influence in exchange for political favoritism; Don Junior is doing it out in the open and no one seems to care!
Trump was gifted a private jet by Qatar. He now flies around on a nice jet, given by a hostile administration that sponsors terrorism. The reason Qatar paid for this jet is obvious; the rest of the world thinks they can get in Trump’s good graces by bribery. And they’re right.
The president has also:
Then, there are the lies. Nearly all politicians lie, but Trump’s supporters often praise him for his honesty. So let’s look at a random list of his stunningly large number of false statements:
There are many, many more. Trump lies vastly more than other politicians.
I remember in 2016 reading someone make the case that Trump was marginally better than Hillary because she was pure evil. I don’t agree with that case, but I can at least understand how one who was aware of the facts would think that. But what one aware of the facts cannot think is that Trump is non-corrupt or honest or decent. He is blatantly corrupt and a liar.
He’s also a complete moron. He’s suggested that America has invisible airplanes and took over airports during the revolutionary war. He forgot the word origins for minutes on end, and suggested that you need an ID to buy groceries.
Tens of billions of animals are hideously tortured and killed every year. The Trump administration is trying to make that worse. Various states have enacted laws that prohibit particularly hideous kinds of animal cruelty—making, for example, it illegal to cage a hen or a pregnant mother pig. The Trump administration has attempted to enact federal laws that would overturn those state laws. Bondi has carried out legal action against those states that prohibit animal cruelty.
It’s not clear exactly how likely these initiatives are to succeed. But there is a sizeable chance that the federal government will overturn decades of progress on animal welfare and confine billions of animals to a lifetime in a cage.
He also added hundreds of billions of dollars to the federal deficit. While he claimed DOGE would shrink the debt, it hasn’t even shrunk the deficit. The rate at which the debt increases has increased. The recent big beautiful bill increased federal spending by hundreds of billions of dollars, while cutting Medicaid and SNAP. There was more spending on tax cuts for wealthy people, less on food and medicine for poor people. I support cutting entitlements, but I think that Medicaid is the most defensible entitlement—unlike the others, it’s actually targeted at the poor!
I’ve already addressed most of the pro-Trump talking points. Claims that he’s good for the economy or a singularly honest politician are a complete inversion of reality. But there are other things that Trump supporters say that I don’t think are correct.
First, they suggest that Trump is anti-intervention and/or quite successful on foreign policy. In reality, however, Trump is quite hawkish without much success. He’s continued supplying weapons to Israel, slightly increasing them, in fact. During his first term, he vetoed a congressional resolution to stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia, as the Saudis carried out a war in Yemen that butchered half a million Yemenis. He attacked Iran, and while I’m not sure what I think about that decision, it certainly was not the decision of a dove.
He imposed extra sanctions on Cuba and various other countries. Sanctions are one of the worst U.S. foreign policy actions—they tend not to be effective and they kill huge numbers of people. U.S. sanctions on Iraq killed similar numbers of people to the war in Iraq. Sanctions are worse than military intervention because they’re targeted against the civilian population. Trump also pulled out of the Iranian nuclear deal—a decision opposed by nearly all foreign policy experts—leading to extra sanctions on Iran and greater likelihood of Iran acquiring a nuclear weapon.
Trump’s Ukraine policy has been similar to Biden’s. If anything, it has been worse from a non-interventionist perspective, because it has given Putin false hope, making him likelier to scale up intervention. Like Biden, he’s sold weapons to Ukraine after the brief pause and supported them militarily in other ways.
In fact, even if Trump stopped every single war around the world, that would save only around 80,000 lives a year, which is a lot less than the number killed through foreign aid cuts alone. He is bad enough that he’d still be bad if he brought about peace on Earth.
The worst foreign policy decisions have stemmed from callousness towards the lives of foreigners, even if we just stick to the crimes of Democratic presidents. Albright supported sanctions on Iraq because she didn’t care much about the people starving to death (they were, after all, not Americans). Bill Clinton murdered thousands via his assault on Al-Shifa because it was politically convenient, and he didn’t care much about the victims. The U.S. didn’t intervene to stop the Rwandan genocide (or even easily jam the radio signal) because the massacres in Rwanda weren’t regarded as very important by Americans. The distant murder of Africans does not trouble the median voter.
The worst foreign policy blunders come from American leaders who don’t care about the impact their policies have on foreigners. And this is almost the defining characteristic of Trump’s foreign policy. After all, he pushed through Saudi arms sales explicitly because he wanted to sell more American weapons. I don’t know whether, say, Harris would have intervened in Rwanda but I know that Trump would not have. He is a man singularly immune to moral appeals.
Second, Trump has been praised for negotiating for lower drug prices. In fact, Biden also negotiated for lower drug prices, and Harris probably would have as well. In addition, this was a bad idea—pharmaceutical price controls are horrible policy. In 2024, I thought this was one of the best arguments for Trump over Harris—that Harris would be more likely to impose price controls (I didn’t think any of the arguments for voting for Trump were very good, to be honest).
Pharmaceutical price controls make drug development less profitable. Drug development is often a touch-and-go thing. Most new drugs don’t make money. For this reason, price controls would likely make Americans so much sicker that we’d spend more money on healthcare and would cause people to live almost a year less on average.
Ironically, while this is cited as a major achievement, if Trump weren’t so bad, it would probably be one of the worst things he did.
Third, many people support Trump’s federal actions that, they argue, will prevent mutilation of minors via transgender surgery. Now, I have an ideological disagreement with such people; I think there are people who have genuine gender dysphoria, and that they should have access to gender affirming care, even if they are minors.
But we don’t need to debate this because Trump hasn’t been very effective on this front. His early executive order got rolled back. The other actions he’s taken like banning trans people from the military seem pointlessly cruel and won’t have any significant effect on young gender-confused children. There’s just no way to think this issue is anywhere near as important as all the horrible things he’s done; even if he stopped all gender affirming care, this would only affect about 20,000 people a year, most of whom are just getting hormones and puberty blockers. The number receiving bottom surgery is around 100.
Donald Trump is the worst president of my lifetime. His administration is staffed with incompetent lackeys whose horrible policies are likely to kill millions of people. He has eliminated life-saving foreign aid, undermined vaccine development, harmed the economy, made life hell for millions of legal immigrants, and done much, much more. While he’s been okay in a few areas, his policies have been consistently disastrous. The best of his policies are arguably maybe slightly good—the worst of his policies will kill millions.
The world is likely to be poorer, sicker, and more horrific because of the current administration. It targets the weak and the vulnerable: animals on factory farms, sick children, cancer patients, and immigrants. We, as a nation, can do better and ought to do better.
When the facts change, so too should our minds. If you’re a Trump supporter, I’d encourage you: seriously think about the arguments that I have made. Can you really find it in yourself to support a man who terminated most of PEPFAR? Who is cutting cancer research? Who is eliminating international vaccination funding? A man who attempted a coup, who lies as easily as he breathes, who is imposing tariffs on desperately poor countries like Lesotho? A man who is as clearly authoritarian as Trump? There’s no shame in changing your mind after learning what he is like.
But the one thing we must not do is vote for him or any of the people around him. I did not claim this the first time around, but I would now; he is very likely the worst president in history. The current president’s hands are stained with the blood of millions at the low end.
Though Americans are spared from many of his worst policies and can conveniently forget about the horrors he commits daily, the parents of sick children cannot forget them so easily. The blood that stains his hands should also stain our conscience, and make it so that no one like him is ever allowed anywhere near the levers of power.