Thanks for sharing, I found this really interesting!
I especially found your discussion of callings interesting. In Zen we have what we call practice positions, and similarly they are jobs assigned by the teacher, and it's not really up to you which ones you take on, but rather a matter of need and the teacher's judgement that you'd be capable and that it would be good for your practice. Unless there's a really good reason, a practice position shouldn't be turned down. (This is also how people become teachers: it's a practice position handed down from the previous teacher when they retire or the sangha is expanding and needs another teacher or the person who becomes a teacher is going to be sent out somewhere to establish a new sangha).
Similarly, over time a person will hold most practice positions they are able to (some people have phsyical limitations that make certain positions too difficult for them to do correctly), and just like you were saying with callings, holding a position really makes someone part of the community by becoming part of the creation of what goes on at the center in a way that just attending doesn't. That's partly why we try to get people trained into their first practice position maybe 6-12 months after they start attending regularly.
Mormonism is the religion I grew up in which I frequently cite as being a much higher-control group than rationalism, and I hope people here don't see it as worthy of emulating in any significant way. Reading through this, several core points you cite as a positive I see as central reasons mormonism is dangerous and core to how it maintains its misbehavior. Central authority permits, and in mormonism seems to in fact implement, deference without review such that the frequent immoral advice (usually related to outgrouping or constraining important freedoms that a young individual should have) given by the central church is treated as moral; regular recitation of a fixed set of lessons; having a predefined set of people to interact with, some of whom are inevitably covertly power-seeking and who can succeed at this by veneer of niceness; having a specific authority who can assign roles and who is shielded from criticism by claiming the assignment came from god.
That all said, you're right that it works if your goals favor community over individual. And I do think many of the lessons encoded in this structure are moderately good. And having a mechanism for role assignment does seem potentially good. But I'd caution that emulating mormonism is not how you reduce your risk of the bad things that turn religion into toxic cult; mormonism is right on the edge of severe cult itself, in my view. when I try an "is it a cult?" questionnaire for a group, rationalism typically scores 40-50%, and mormonism scores 90%+. I do agree that its recipe for communitybuilding produces community, but it's one I left due to toxicity.
I'm interested to see your response to this. I tried to write it soberly, but my negative experience with mormonism undoubtedly shows through a lot. If you're able to handle replying in a way that responds to the structure rather than the emotions, I'm interested to hear what you see as the good parts that might be robust to abuse and worth exporting. But I'm cautious, because one of the major ways mormonism scores high on cult behavior is treatment of people who leave and proselytization; I'd be hopeful you can comment in a way that separates mechanistic understanding from religious views.
I was assuming that building strong community is a good thing, because of the post this is responding to. If Scott (or other people) are looking at Mormonism to see what they can learn about building strong communities in a liberal society, it is better if they have an accurate understanding of how the community works.
I think that the things that seem most likely to be worth exporting are ministering and callings. Callings seem harder to export. but have been very important for me feeling part of the community. Ministering seems easier to export, and I wouldn't be that surprised if rationalists end up doing it better than we do.
Some of the things you're talking about do not feel like the Church as I have experienced it. I only have my limited view, and for example have never lived in Utah, so maybe we've just experienced different things.
I don't think that any of the leaders I have known could reasonably be described as "covertly power-seeking and who can succeed at this by veneer of niceness". Including the leaders who I have had significant disagreements with. All of the ones I've dealt with are sincerely trying, and would be relieved to have a less effortful calling. I don't think that most of the niceness you see in the Church is actually a veneer. (N here is maybe 20, if you include bishops, counselors, and elders' quorum presidents.)
Mechanistically, the Church is a really ineffective route for power seeking. 'Advancing' in callings is a slow, highly uncertain process, during which time you are expected to do a ton of service. Maybe there's some inflection point above stake president where this stops being true (I wouldn't know), but at least at the levels I've been able to see, the incentives point strongly against trying to get more power.[1] If this is a bigger problem in Utah than elsewhere, then I would guess that it would be because having a leadership calling helps you get promotions at work (or something else), and so there are more incentives coming from outside the Church itself.
I agree that there is too much deference without review. I would prefer deference with review. For example, the first time I was called to be ward mission leader, I told my bishop why I thought I was not a particularly good choice for the role, and suggested that we both go and think & pray about it and talk again next week. We did, and I ended up accepting the calling. The leaders I've had have reacted well to this - at least some of them seem to prefer it to either deference without review or outright refusal. This is a direction I am trying to push Church culture in.
The set of lessons is not fixed. The lesson topics are suggested by the Church. This only results in the same lesson if the teacher is putting in a minimal amount of effort. Even in this case, someone in the class can dramatically improve it by asking an interesting[2] question, at least if there are some other people who are willing to engage. If no one there is willing to put in anything more than a minimal amount of effort, then the lessons will be repetitive and boring - and no amount of institutional design will fix it.
I endorse proselytizing. If you think that your believes are true and good, then it is good to offer them to the rest of the world. Even if it is through Harry Potter fanfiction instead of only rigorous argument.
I don't know what treatment you've received when leaving the Church. My impression is that people's friendships in the Church gradually fade away because it's much harder to maintain a friendship when you don't have a built in plan to see each other at least once a week, and as people move away and you don't meet the new people. This can mean that you feel isolated if you come back to visit, but this doesn't seem like an avoidable problem. If you've been treated worse than this, then I'm sorry.
Then why do people do it? Because of a sense of duty - there are norms against refusing callings. My guess is that if the norms around not refusing callings significantly weaken, bishop would be one of the harder callings to get anyone to agree to do.
'Interesting' here does not mean 'controversial'. 'Interesting' means 'something that other people will have nontrivial responses to'. Flagrantly controversial questions are often not interesting, if they result in predictable responses. Crafting interesting questions for Sunday school is an art that I've practiced, and I think it's worthwhile for other people in the Church to practice too.
I'm a big fan of strong communities and I don't mean to say not to do them. The place that utah mormonism caused severe chafing in my life was related to rules and social structures that are reasonably core to mormonism. That's not to say the things I found to cause problem don't serve a purpose, but I don't think they're worth the significant cost. I only wanted to bring up the warning that it's not just the case that all is well in mormonland, even though there are some things which do seem to be kinda nice there that are somewhat missing elsewhere. Covertly powerseeking is something I've heard about and had suspicions about locally, but I'd put much higher probability on it in the core priesthood.
I agree that refusable assignments might be a pretty good idea for an intentionally organized community, though I would propose that some sort of unusual local democracy might be a better option for how to choose people. zany idea, derived from straightforwardly turning mormon callings into local democracy: something where everyone is electable as [ranked choice/probabilistic vote/liquid democracy/star voting/etc] by default, and then refusal happens after the election, and the first non-refused option is the one who takes it? that might still have the problems with having a single person assigning. and I don't like how expensive it ends up being to do elections. (...what if you had a cryptographic pseudoRNG seeded once per person from something unchangeable about them generate the subset of people who will vote this year...)
Ministering - home teaching/visiting teaching, when I knew it - seems sus to me. I don't trust it to not cause toxic groupthink. If I saw a group doing that from a distance my first impulse would be to avoid them, and it would take a lot of transparency and epistemological soundness on the part of everyone involved for me to take that guard down much at all.
I think you'd be interested in Tocqueville's description of how New England towns worked in the early 1800s. My guess is that the system of callings descends from it, and it was substantially more democratic.
Search: "Limits of the township" to find the relevant section.
I will note that mormonism is very big, and in any big group there will be abuses of power, so the existence of you claiming you experienced such things is to me not so much evidence that this is the norm or even really a problem with the strategies discussed in the post.
If you could be more specific about the rates of what kinds of abuse happen, then that would be more informative.
The things I'm talking about are primarily things that you hear on the pulpit during general conference, and then are implemented on the edges. Official rules and structures. I'm not super interested in getting into specifics but it's typical stuff for exmormons to complain about; my point is really that I just want you to think carefully about what effects different things would have. It should be fairly obvious what parts of mormonism I'm talking about if you encounter them and share my preferences.
I want you to be specific so I don’t have to assume what you’re talking about and how you think it affects members, and how what is described in the post relates to any of that.
For example, are you talking about them being against gayness? That seems much more caused by their theology & cosmology than anything described in the OP. Regardless of whether a community implements what is described, it would suck to be gay in a community that hates gayness.
really the core problem I see is that the structure is well adapted to push people to accept things that are unreasonable requests. I'm not interested in getting into specifics because I don't want to have to narrate out a bunch of personal experiences, so my claim is only about the structure supporting information flow from center outwards, not about what specific things it happens to be carrying in the case of mormonism.
In the secular society we favor individuals over communities so much that those individuals often complain about not having a community at all. Coordination is famously hard. So maybe a certain degree of prioritizing a community is a good thing, to overcome the free-rider problem. It seems to me that many people who wish they had a community would refuse to help if someone else volunteered to create one. How much of that is something they would endorse on reflection, and how much is just a reflex?
The easiest way to avoid becoming a cult is not to have a community at all.
I think a good lesson that probably many people need to hear is that everything has a cost, some work needs to be done, so if you want to have a community, you should volunteer to do the necessary but boring stuff. Otherwise there will be no community.
The easiest way to avoid becoming a cult is not to have a community at all.
And as some have always said:
“we”, which is to say “rationalists”, should not be a “community”.
So maybe a certain degree of prioritizing a community is a good thing, to overcome the free-rider problem.
The problem with prioritizing a community strikes me as similar to the problem of allowing doublethink. Yes, both can be helpful in the moment, if done at the right time, because they allow us to overcome fundamental flaws and inefficiencies in our cognition.
But they're both insidious parasites that worm their way in and fight back hard if you ever try to remove them. When you choose to doublethink, the bias you embrace not only affects the topics you meant for it to, but also clouds your judgement when you try to determine if you ever want to stop doublethinking. So you run a heavy risk of entering a one-way door, where the person that comes out on the other side looks like you, sounds like you, feels like you, but is constrained to never want to walk back out again.
Likewise, when you empower a community to have control over individuals that goes beyond what's entirely epistemically justifiable (maybe, for example, because the latter doesn't result in sufficiently effective coordination), it's very, very hard to ever disempower it, when things go astray. Because it starts fighting back in precisely those epistemically unjustifiable ways (like weaponizing biases and emotions that cloud the judgement and overcome reason, etc.) that make the entire edifice very, very dangerous.
As I have said before, the biggest danger with giving power to anyone, within a certain set of constraints, isn't that they will use this power to enact unwise policies. It's that they will use the power to remove the constraints.
This is tricky. Different people want different degrees of community, but even "give everyone the exact degree that they desire" wouldn't make everyone happy, because those who want a lower degree might resent feeling excluded by those who have a higher degree. :(
Then the tech of our day can possibly help us! If social media provided asymmetric visibility so that everyone would get seemingly community that they want...
(should not be implemented before solving other issues, like how to make the resulting information bubbles harmless)
I don't think the former is possible without the latter. As I observe the people around me, the community they truly, deeply (in the core of their hearts) want is precisely one that validates them and their feelings and all their beliefs. They crave precisely those information bubbles that you want to eliminate.
I'm surprised you frequent this site while still being Mormon because I had assumed the two were almost fundamentally mutually exclusive.
I am an ex-Mormon so yes I am biased etc etc.
I do agree that ward communities have a lot of positive attributes, I wish it was possible to create and sustain something secular like that. (Perhaps it is and I just haven't seen examples of it anywhere)
How do you justify believing in the religion on epistemic grounds?
I left primarily because I could not tell myself I was intellectually honest while knowingly using a double standard for evidence for religion vs science & everything else.
The way I see it, the entire belief system of the Church is premised upon emotional evidence (see: a personal witness from the spirit), which I personally cannot justify as sufficient basis to inform my entire worldview (especially in light of how incredibly easy and convincing it is for our brains to fabricate stimuli matching our expectations).
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and anything unfalsifiable and impossible to replicate in a controlled setting does not count as extraordinary under any consistent standard I can think of.
I'm sorry if this seems like an attack on your beliefs as it wasn't intended as so. I'm genuinely confused as to what sequence of events would result in someone passing through the inherent selection effects sufficient to end up here (and stay for any significant length of time) while being a believing Mormon. I do not have animosity to you personally.
Adequately answering this question would be at least its own blog post, but here's a gesture at a response:
In the 1600s, there was a debate over whether natural philosophy should be structured like math ('rationalists') or whether it should be based on sense & memory ('empiricists'). The empiricists won one of the most lopsided victories in the history of philosophy and empirical science was born.[1]
Joseph Smith & the Book of Mormon have a wildly more empirical approach than any of the religions at the time.[2] Alma 32's 'experiment on the word'. Moroni 10 is even framed in terms of falsifiability, a full century before Karl Popper introduced it to the philosophy of science.
Yes, observations can be theory-laden, but that doesn't mean that we should abandon the empirical project - in theology any more than in other fields.
This is less relevant for you than for other people on this site, but I should maybe note that I don't think that the evidence visible from outside the church is sufficient to 'prove the existence of God' or something like that. I do think that it is sufficient to justify a serious investigation, and that the empirical evidence builds up over time as you build a personal relationship with God.
See Shapin & Schafer's Leviathan and the Air Pump (book review) for more details. Despite being postmodernists, the authors have done substantial historical work.
Parts of Protestantism have since become more empirical, emphisizing personal experience with the Spirit over systematic theology. I think that this reflects Pentecostal influence, but am not familiar enough with the history to be sure.
Joseph Lawal on YouTube also has some good epistemology arguments, but I don't remember which video they were in.
Apparently, in their community, if you travel with a letter of recommendation from your bishop, people will let you stay in their house instead of staying at a hotel.
This is something I used to experience in Brethren communities as a child. Both staying with random people when going somewhere, but also having random people stay over for a couple of nights, or come for a meal. The letter of recommendation was also something you'd always get before going somewhere.
If this feels like you would be unwilling to do some of the tasks or that the tasks are beneath you, then I claim that this attitude is a barrier to forming a close community. Being willing to do the things that other people are doing builds camaraderie, and having done lots of the particular tasks needed to support a community gives a real sense of oneness with the community.
This is very important. Though the details matter. Telling someone that they now are responsible for cleaning the toilets is a lot different from asking someone to help you clean those toilets or to switch jobs with you. This seems to be well addressed by what you say about how callings get passed around, as you can expect to have both high and low status jobs, which on average should result in relatively equal status between members?
I agree that details matter. The system, in principle, equalizes status by passing around callings - and in practice often does. But it doesn't always work the way it should and you get The Same 10 Families rotating between the higher effort or leadership callings, while other people stay in lower effort callings.
I was with you right up until the last paragraph where you try to apply this to an office. Even at an ideologically driven nonprofit organization, why would you want an office to be a community? The primary output of an office is basically never the relationships among the people in the office. There is a reason people keep work and personal life separate. Trying to get the personal social benefits of a community from ones coworkers creates an enormous single point of failure in your life. This is bad! And this is just as true at an ideologically driven organization as any other.
I applied it to an office because the conversation that caused me to write this post involved an AI safety group office that the person I was talking to used to work at, which does function as a community.
It's plausible to me that these recommendations work better for other kinds of community.
Another commonality between the Hasidim and LDS is disassociation from society at large. It’s more than localized consolidation of theologically aligned individuals. Both set themselves apart from society, essentially othering the majority of society. Whether they deem others to be merely goyim (Hasidim) or Gentiles (LDS), or the more extreme views tamei or unclean, a major emphasis is placed on downgrading those outside their faith.
That’s not to say individuals from either religion are viewing outsiders as lesser, necessarily, but from a group level the othering of outsiders is a key component in community building and cohesion. By establishing a state of being which outsiders cannot attain, the scale and scope of the community is severely limited. Community members are forced to look within the community to satisfy innate needs. Companionship, entertainment, education, reproduction, et al can only be obtained within the community.
On a small scale, these practices are very effective from a community perspective and they have limited negative impact outside the community. But at scale, things get complicated, and ugly. It’s not a big step from viewing people as unclean to becoming a cleaner. Highly insular communities are not, sociologically, far off from ethnic supremacy ideologies. The red headed stepchild of tradition is blood purity.
The term "Gentile" to refer for non-Mormons was mostly a thing in the 1800s, and is basically not a thing today. The last time this usage occurred in General Conference was in 1981, and that was quoting something written in the 1800s. The last time this usage occurred in General Conference not quoting something else was in 1936. (The LDS General Conference corpus is great.) The terminology that is used is "the world", which puts much less focus on the uncleanness of individuals.
Mormonism, outside of Utah, is not disassociated from society at large. The attitude is instead "in the world, but not of the world". There are some people for whom most of their friends are in the Church, and marriage within the Church is strongly encouraged. But there aren't Mormon-specific workplaces or grade schools.[1] We do not think that entertainment or education can only be obtained within the community.
Relating insularity to ethnic purity also seems very wrong here. Missionary work is a major thing ! About 1/3 of all current members of the Church in the US were not raised in the Church. The world may be perceived as a hostile thing, but it's full of people who we might potentially convert.
Our Church does have some private grade schools in the Pacific Islands, but none in the US. The ward I grew up in had <20 teenagers, and we went to at least 5 different high schools. In my 22 years of full time education, I have had exactly 1 class that had another member of the Church in it.
At the university level, things are more complicated. The Church does own BYU, BYU-Idaho, and BYU-Hawaii. There's also SVU, although it's not run by the Church itself.
I mostly agree, but the word gentile is a medieval translation of "goyim," so it's a bit weird to differentiate between them. (And the idea that non-jews are ritually impure is both confused, and an frequent antisemitic trope. In fact, idol worshippers were deemed impure, based on verses in the bible, specifically Leviticus 18:24, and there were much later rabbinic decrees to discourage intermingling with even non-idol worshippers.)
Also, both Judaism and LDS (with the latter obviously more proselytizing) have a route for such excluded individuals to join, so calling this "a state of being which outsiders cannot attain" is also a bit strange to claim.
Though I consider myself a rational humanist, I am a currently practicing member of the Church for practical and social reasons. I have participated in perhaps a dozen wards across three countries, several states, and the aforementioned YSA type of congregation.
From my perspective, I think you undersell the standardization aspect. I believe that even within a single Ward, the idea that every person is actively trying to pursue the exact same set of ideals and outcomes has a strong unifying effect. It helps that many of the behavioral ideals of the church are truly pro-social and pro-health, in that the ideals can be appealing independent of conforming to the faith-centric standards of belief.
Another major unifying factor for the church is the common narratives of persecution and "apartness". It is quite common for a member of the church to have a story of how they were excluded from non-church social groups on account of their faith, particularly when they were young. The church overall also emphasizes the narrative of historical persecution during the initial founding of the church (culminating in the departure for the West). These two combine to create an atmosphere where church members feel that they need the social structure of the church, as other options are felt to be unavailable.
I'd like to think that there is a persecution-free (perceived or otherwise) method to build that type of "apartness", but I don't think we can list the reasons for the strength of LDS communities without mentioning it.
My guess is that standardization has been more important for you than for the typical member of the church. It sounds like you move a lot more than most members, and so you spend a lot more of your time having just moved somewhere new. Standardization is helpful to build community when you're traveling or just moved somewhere new, but most people aren't in those situations all that often.
I also claim that standardization by itself does not build community. There is not a particularly strong community in McDonalds or in airports - despite these being very standardized situations. What standardization does is it reminds you of the similar situations you previously have been in. This allows the sense of community to travel with you between wards. But if your home ward does not feel like a community, going to something that looks similar doesn't make you suddenly feel at one with them.
I didn't mention narratives about persecution, and maybe I should have. They don't feel like a strong contributor to feelings of community for me personally - but I might be unusual here.[1] I'm also not sure how to disentangle narratives of persecution from actual experiences of people treating them differently because they are Mormon. Either way, I don't think that this is something other groups trying to build community should want to copy.
The fact that I post on LessWrong is some evidence that I'm not near the center of the distribution.
I think you're probably right on the topic of standardization - I hadn't disentangled how important if was to me personally from how generally critical it would be for local community-building.
It may be of value to qualify or Taboo the term "community" here. I understood the question to be "What unique aspects of LDS practice and culture at both the ward, stake, and Church-wide levels have contributed to the formation and maintenance of enduring local and global social structures". I think your emphasis is on the local community, and my comment had emphasized the more global aspects (likely a consequence of my unique experience, as you point out).
If the question is, instead, "What unique aspects of LDS practice and culture at the ward level have contributed to the formation and maintenance of enduring local social structures, and are recommended for other groups to emulate", I think you've identified all of the prime candidates.
The most important factor is probably that mormon women are consistently told by their community as a whole that they should marry a returned missionary.
Epistemic status: Low-effort post about something I am very familiar with.
Scott Alexander recently wrote about making strong communities within a liberal society. He has nice things to say about Mormons:
Ultra-Orthodox Jews and Mormons: Get lots of people of the same religion together in one place - a timeless classic. Some of the ultra-est of the ultra-Orthodox are still more fluent in Yiddish than English, giving them near-invincibility from the mainstream. 9/10.
And again in the highlights from the comments:
Maybe the Mormons are the entrepreneurs we’re looking for?
As the resident Mormon, I have opinions.
I found myself very unconvinced by the thesis of Scott's argument. As always, read the whole thing and don’t trust my summary, but the key point is:
But even defining these exceptions broadly, probably fewer than 10% of Americans belong to one of them [tight-knit communities of strong values].
Are the rest not interested? Happy with mainstream culture? They don’t seem happy. 90% of articles on social media are people talking about how much they hate mainstream culture, sometimes with strong specific opinions about what improvements to make. But it never seems to occur to these people to join together with like-minded friends and secede from it. Why not? Why don’t conservatives live in trad whites-only farming villages on the Great Plains? Why don’t YIMBYs live in dense walkable towns sprung up from the forests of Vermont? Why don’t people who hate smartphones/social media/AI live somewhere that bans all of those things?
My best guess is money.
If you’re sufficiently committed, you don’t need money. You can go out in the forest with your like-minded friends and probably starve (or, like the libertarians, get eaten by bears). But if you’re insufficiently committed, money is pretty helpful! Or at least this is what I gather from my own experience.
One of the exceptions is "Serious Christianity". I expect that substantially more than 10% of Americans belong to this "exception". According to the PEW survey of religions, 25% of Americans attend religious services weekly or more often (p. 61), 22% read scripture weekly or more often (p. 186), and 13% participate in prayer groups, scripture-study groups or religious education programs on a weekly basis (p. 190). I also would rate serious Christianity higher than Scott did for its level of community, although not as high as Mormonism.[1] I expect that a larger fraction of Mormons have primarily non-Mormon coworkers and neighbors than serious Christians have primarily non-Christian coworkers and neighbors - and that this is not a good metric for measuring the strength of the community.
I don't think that the key difference is money. Medieval villages might have had close-knit communities out of necessity. But there are also plenty of historical examples of groups forming intentional communities, despite being much poorer than the median American today. For example, early Mormonism, or the Amish, or the Puritans. I don't think that Joseph Smith had a positive net worth at any point of his life - but he still managed to build a city of more than 10,000 people.[2] The Mormon pioneers were, on average, much poorer than the people who settled Oregon or California. They used handcarts[3] because they couldn't afford wagons, and they knew that there were people on the other end who would help them when they arrived.
What's missing is not money. I would guess that the answer is something like gumption or being more agentic. Are people actively trying to build better communities? Do people feel like they can just go and make new meaningful institutions and traditions?
This kind of effort feels a lot more missing in modern America than money.
As our children's song says:
You don’t have to push a handcart,
Leave your fam'ly dear,
Or walk a thousand miles or more
To be a pioneer!You do need to have great courage,
Faith to conquer fear,
And work with might for a cause that's right
To be a pioneer!
The rest of this post goes through ways that I think that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has built a strong community within a liberal society.
One thing that contributes to community that was mentioned in the comments is standardization. This is much more of a thing in our church than in other Christian churches.
... the real innovation of modern Mormonism is exporting the same community-building model to all four corners of the earth. A common experience for Latter-day Saints traveling abroad is to be struck by how nearly identical the Sunday experience is whether in Africa, America, or Asia. The upshot of the Church’s system of social organization is that it is effortless for a Latter-day Saint person to slot into a new community wherever they go, and it is likewise easy for the community to sustain itself as individuals naturally come and go while they pursue their secular lives and careers. That kind of physical location independence goes a long way towards solving the practical problems highlighted in the post. - Justin
There are a ton of things which have been centralized, including building designs,[4] org charts, patterns for how meetings are run, and even curricula. The central Church puts out suggested scripture reading schedules and lesson manuals. In principle, the entire Church has a lesson on the same passage of scripture each Sunday.[5]
Missionary work also contributes to a standardized culture. It takes young members from around the world and thoroughly mixes them by sending them to serve on different places. Missionaries do not even choose which continent they serve on.
Standardization is good for community if you are traveling or moving somewhere new. There is somewhere that feels familiar regardless of where go (except most of the Middle East or China). There is also criticism of it as bland corporatism, or that the Church operates as a franchise.
I don't think that standardization is the main source of community. It seems helpful when you're traveling or the first few months of moving somewhere new, but most of your life is not in those situations. I don't think that a standardized, familiar setting would actually be all that valuable if it didn't point towards a longer term community.
Another relevant institution is ward boundaries. Congregations, called wards,[6] are defined geographically. I think that this is also done in Catholicism, but that there aren't really norms encouraging people to go to the right parish. It is not a thing in Protestantism, where people shop around for which congregation they like the most.
Ward boundaries impact the community very differently in Utah than everywhere else.
In Utah, the main consequence is that your neighbors are also your church friends. Modernity[7] often separates out different types of relationship - your family, your neighbors, the people you work with, the people you go to church with, etc., are often fairly disjoint groups of people. Having multiple types of these relationships overlapping strengthens the community.[8]
Outside of Utah, this means that congregations have a wide variety of social, economic, age, etc. backgrounds.[9] If it were not for church, I would not be friends with any sailors or janitors. This seems like the sort of thing that would weaken a sense of community, but I'm not convinced it actually does. It is also better for development social ties across society as a whole. I prefer the outside of Utah version.
The only Church approved exceptions for ward boundaries are (1) different languages in the same area, and (2) young single adult (YSA) wards, which exist to make it easier for us to get married.
The most important institutional contribution towards the community is (according to me) callings.
The Church is organized differently from most (all?) other churches. We do not have a professional clergy. Instead, all of the things that the clergy does are divided up among the congregation.
Things like prayers and sermons rotate through the congregation each week, as assigned by the bishop. Other roles, e.g. Sunday school teacher, activities planner, or person who helps the full-time missionaries, have members 'called' to them for a few years. The bishop also extends (most of) these callings, and members are encouraged to neither seek or refuse callings. The bishop himself, who presides over the ward, is also a lay person. He is called (by the next higher layer of Church organization) for 3-5 years, and serves with 2 counselors. After that, he is released, and the new bishop could extend any calling to him.[10] Over the course of your life, if you stay active in the Church, you are likely to serve in maybe 1/3 - 1/2 of all callings.
The system of callings also fixes the size of wards: Too many people and economies of scale means that there's not enough callings for everyone. Too few people, and it's hard to get all of the callings filled.[11] Most wards have ~100 adults attending on a typical Sunday. If they get larger, the Church will split them into 2 wards.
Having a calling is very important for feeling like you're fully part of the community. It's the difference between 'the church I go to' and 'my church'. You feel more ownership of and oneness with a community to which you are meaningfully contributing.[12] Most active members of the Church would be less unhappy if they went an extended period of time without a calling than if they were expected to serve.
This is extremely weird from outside of the church. Once upon a time, I was reading a newspaper article written by a non-Mormon about internal criticism within the Church. It was (unsurprisingly) bad, but one thing stuck out to me. They reported that someone who had been publicly critical had been released from their calling. It was clear that the reporter had no clue what this meant, or why that would even be a bad thing.
Sometimes, the fact that everyone is an amateur is apparent in a bad way - a Sunday school teacher who clearly doesn't like teaching & knows less about the material than the median person in the class, or a sermon that is not a message that the Church would want to promote, or poorly planned activities. But often, things work pretty well. People who have been in the system for a long time become highly capable generalists. The amount of latent knowledge about how to do church in a typical ward is incredible.
There are also norms around niceness, and some institutions to support it. I think that we're towards the upper end of Protestantism in this regard, but not an outlier.
People in the Church act friendly, and there are strong norms about being nice.
Sometimes online, you see criticism for Mormon niceness being fake.[13] I think this criticism is pretty wrong:
Serious Christians also do similar things, but maybe at a lower rate? I don't know.
One thing that we don't do that I've heard of from a Mennonite guy: Apparently, in their community, if you travel with a letter of recommendation from your bishop, people will let you stay in their house instead of staying at a hotel.
The main niceness-adjacent institution of the Church is called ministering. Everyone in the ward is assigned someone to be their friend and to whom they should have a low bar to reach out to if they need help. These relationships are horizontal, in that they aren't determined by your calling or age or other distinguishing factor, but they are not symmetric: the people who minister to you are not the same as the people you are assigned to minister to. This creates ministerer-ministeree networks throughout the ward. I have lots of opinions about this (and its predecessor, Home Teaching). I don't know if this system works better than the Protestant system of small groups, and would like to see more experimentation here.
I think that norms are more important to establish niceness than institutions. Also important is that we believe that we are under divine commandment to care about each other. Institutions can be helpful in narrowing the set of people we feel responsible for caring for to a manageable size, but do not themselves create the impetus to be nice or care for others.
So what would I recommend for other communities that want to become strong in a liberal society?
I am a fan of niceness norms. I don't think that I have any particular insight into how to create them, other than to be nice yourself and to tell other people that being nice is good.
Institutionally, the best things to copy are probably callings and ministering.
To do ministering, assign people in the community (including new entrants!) someone, or a couple of people, for them to go to for help. This is directed at individuals, rather than callings,[15] so it should not change if the person switches orgs, or gets a new job title, or moves group houses - although moving cities probably means getting new ministerers and ministerees. Ideally, these relationships have frequent contact and are long lasting (something that we could definitely do better at in the Church). Yes, having assigned friends can feel a bit weird, but it's a lot better than moving somewhere and having no friends at all.
Callings are probably harder to copy. It's not just performing service for each other. That's important, but insufficient. It's also a whole system where performing service for the community is expected, and happens by default instead of waiting for someone to request or offer service. People will not request or offer service anywhere near as much as is good for us. It's also a bias towards having people be generalists rather than specialists, and rotating what jobs people do. There are extra bonds between people because they are doing or have done similar callings.
I'm not sure what exactly that would look like for e.g. an ideologically-similar group office. Maybe, instead of having an ops team and office administrators, their jobs are divided into a bunch of small tasks.[16] Each member of the group office is assigned one of those tasks to be responsible for about a year. One (or several) of these tasks is managing who is assigned to other tasks. As people move in or out, and when someone has being doing a task for a while, they get released from their task and assigned to something else. If this feels like it would be complicated and probably result in a worse office space, then that's probably true, at least for a few years until the skills get broadly distributed and the system starts feeling normal. If this feels like you would be unwilling to do some of the tasks or that the tasks are beneath you, then I claim that this attitude is a barrier to forming a close community. Being willing to do the things that other people are doing builds camaraderie, and having done lots of the particular tasks needed to support a community gives a real sense of oneness with the community.
In my unbiased opinion.
The demographics of Nauvoo, Illinois are hard to get solid numbers for, because the city was built and destroyed between censuses.
Handcarts are famously associated with Mormon pioneers, in part because two handcraft companies left too late in the season, got stuck in snow in Wyoming, and then had to be heroically rescued by people from Utah.
The Church would figure out a better low cost way to bring people across the plains a few years later. They would send wagons east in the spring, which would meet the pioneers in Iowa and stock up on food, before escorting the pioneers to Utah.
We even have our own wall material: sisal.
This Sunday is D&C 88, and I'm teaching !
The name 'ward' comes from the days when we used to build cities. Cities are naturally divided into wards.
I think that the main thing here is that most people live in cities which are too large for everyone to know everyone. I would expect something similar in the city of Rome or Chang'an in 100 AD.
Rationalist group houses also cause overlapping relationships.
This is not true in Utah because ward boundaries are small enough to typically have uniform socio-economic status.
Leadership callings are not supposed to be higher status than other callings. This is not strictly true, but more true than most outsiders would expect. When someone I know is called to a leadership position, I ask them if they want congratulations or condolences. So far, they've always chosen condolences. That amount of service expected is wildly disproportional from any gain in status.
In places where there aren't many members, congregations are called 'branches' and have a pared down version of the calling system.
I sometimes joke (?) that the status hierarchy in the Church is built around the rights to perform particular acts of service.
Note that I am talking about whether or not niceness within the Church is fake, not whether or not niceness towards outsiders is fake and intended to convert people. I also think that most niceness towards outsiders is genuine, but that discussion is less relevant for building a strong internal community.
Some examples:
I would guess that my immediate family is not very atypical for members of the Church in this regard.
You would not minister to the bishop, you minister to Chris, who happens to be the bishop right now.
How should the tasks be divided up? I don't know. In the Church, this is passed down to us through tradition. We mostly make small changes to an existing system to fit our circumstances, rather than designing something from scratch.