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What do ants want? population growth, possibly: curiosity, much less signalling (in the way we know). Individual ants would work towards their queen's best interest? Would they try to defect to other queens?
Digging (foundations of new houses and such) would be a bad idea.
Ants would naturally have a slow communication rate.
Ants could communicate faster than walking by flying, putting their pheramones in the air somehow, using human internet, using human intermediaries.
Ants can increase their population quickly. I would rough guess doubling every month at least for the first month
Ant main-line cognition speed would be slower than humans, but multitasking greater. Therefore they would likely execute multiple plans at once instead of making one big plan.
Ants would look for technologies to enhance their cognition even further. Could be dense, 3d habitats that allow the colony to live closer to eachother to reduce transmission time.
Increasing speed of individual ants. I don't think ants tend to travel at even half of their max speed, so they could think faster by just burning more energy in a way humans can't.
Ants are everywhere. Some humans would try to escape ants by fleeing to cold places with permanently frozen soil, like northern Canada. Because of their small size, ants have extreme difficulty in those conditions. Ants couldn't go there without vehicles.
Given that ants primarily sense touch and smell, they may still lack good eyesignt and hearing, even with better communication. This means they may be hard for them to read computer screens and eavesdrop on humans. For example, I doubt a single ant could spy on a computer screen. Perhaps 100 or more ants would be required for that. Same with hearing, although it would be easy for 1000 ants to hide within earshot of human conversations.
Therefore humans may communicate more by text to hide from ant spies.
How would ants fight against poison? My guess is by just attacking until poison is used up.
Humans need to prepare for war with ants before they show signs of aggression. They could be too powerful for humans to stop.
Ant colonies would begin communicating with each other. An ant can travel at perhaps 3km/hour. Assuming this is their mode of communication, somewhere like the Amazon would take like a year to send a message across. I don't think it's reasonable for ants to first-contact "native" ants through a faster means, just because they wouldn't be able to decode it.
Would ants resent humans for often carelessly killing their kind? They may not consider worker deaths very important, but human activities would definately "anger" (anthropomorphizing) the ants before most humans knew ants were smart.
Creating supersmart supercolonies. I think this is reasonable, but linear processing speed would again be slower the more space the colony took up. Because of the speed limitation, it would take a long time before we have to worry about a global coordinated attack.
How would ants and humans communicate? By sound. Human microphones and software would detect ant vibrations, and ants would either learn to understand human speach, or hear ant noises produced by translation software. Probably the latter, because humans have vastly more expertise than ants.
Individual ants live around 2 years, queens up to 30. Intelligent ants would merge colonies whose queen dies, or produce extra queens to keep colonies alive. "individual" ant colonies could outlive humans.
Would ants war with other ant species (more than they already do). I think it's likely the first thing that'll happen. Bigger colonies, with more intelligence, would quickly kill off smaller ant colonies.
Which ants would win the ant-wars? Depending on how ant intelligence works, either smaller ants that can get closer together, or larger ants with more complex behavior, would come out ahead. Large ants could have advantages like better eyesight, wings, that become vastly more useful with intelligence.
Ants would destroy their predators and overeat their food. Much like humans, who killed off large mammals, ants would kill off all their predators and risk over-harvasting their food. They would start both farming and stealing from humans as well.
Ant predators include spiders, other insects, reptiles, and amphibians. This would cause some sort of ecosystem collapse.
Eventual ant technologies: ant computer interface, may be like a braile display that pokes different individual ants, or ant sould based. Because ant colonies would be good at multitasking, they could absorb material faster than human, given that it's not all highly connected.
Human would publish this, be highly questioned. Would produce simple tests individuals could make at home and give to ants to get idea through to people.
Govts would probably put up a far worse performance than COVID. Politicians & beaurocrats are too old, too social to deal with this kind of stuff.
Immediately some young right-ists would call for the eradication of ants. It would take a few weeks for right politicians to follow suit, at least pushing for "safety against ants"
People would buy tons of bogus "ant communication devices" or "ant protection devices"
There must already be ant colonies in secure scientific experiments. They would be studied. New colonies would be taken into labs.
How much do ant colonies work with each other? Given that there are already ant-mega-colonies (their main trait is they "smell like friends" of each other), those ants would work together. They would likely work together with "smells like enemies" ants as well. I don't expect average ant colonies to sacrifice for each other immediately, but maybe later?
Can ant colonies "mind meld" with each other? Given that the colonies themselves started working together intellectually a week ago, I think it's likely they could.
Ant cognition speed is the #1 variable to measure.
Humans might engineer ant-to-ant comms devices to prevent ant wars, make ants more predictable, and spy. All ants using bugged (get it) comms would be awesome.
Food left out in human homes would be quickly taken by ants. Ants would quickly bite through fridge seals and eat there too. Ants could use leverage to open alumanum cans and plastic boxes.
People would find ways to make ant poison at home
Humans would disrupt ant hearing and smell with ant-verbalization noise generators or some homemade chemical that confuses or dulls ants' senses.
Mosquitos developed resistance to DDT in "about 7 years". Ants different reproduction. Because of investment in queens, they can't experement genetically with them. Would need to test ant males. Could test males for pesticide resistance before mating, accelerating that evolution. ant males never go outside normally, so that would improve a lot.
There are roughly as many ant colonies as humans, so some EAs would immediately help ants. For short-termists, ants would likely be #1 priority by far. First would give comms and teach.
Evangelical Christians would attempt to convert ants. I would ROFL soooo hard if that actually worked.
Once ants learn the basics of human infrastructure and society but before they invent their own technology, what's their best bet to defeat humanity? There are on the order of a million ants per person. I'm guessing that they wouldn't be able to overpower humans just by swarming and biting except in very rural locations. If they did, they would strike at night. They can be silent, so you may 100,000 ants in your room without waking you up. They could suffocate you with their bodies, or with some tools. I think suffocating people at night with cloth/bodies would work. Even better, they could cut wires in cars / short circuit them, and swarm power plants / relay centers. Perhaps gnaw down trees to fall on power lines. Given the time taken to get power back after storms, and especially the Puerto Rico disaster, I'm not optimistic we could ever regain the grid. Again, I think they would take a while to coordinate that well, but we would need to secure the grid FAST.
Ants would hop onto cars, trains, boats, and eventually planes to explore & communicate with each other. Ants communicating this way may be able to jump off cars in large enough numbers to communicate, especially at lights & stop signs. Otherwise get off at the destination, talk to local ants, then all move out on new cars. This would be the fastest means of ant communication. Travel times from london to any inhabited place in the world are around 1/2 to 1 day. Ants would require maybe 4 extra hours to crawl between people & vehicles in airports and such. Some areas don't have enough car traffic to easily hitch a ride to, so that might cost an extra day if they aren't able to call taxis or manipulate humans into driving places or whatever. It would be reasonable for them to get 1-2 day global communication by physical transport.
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So first up some analysis on the question. It also functions as padding to make sidebar not sidestep spoiler tags. If the "metaphorical" functioning is exactly like gpu the questions loses a lot of it's interestingness. A scenario like that would be fascinatin partly how such an organizaation would be dissimilar to a gpu model. Like squids are pretty smart but they don't run on a centralised processing paradigm. I will interpret the characteristic in that they have "power level" similar to computers and humans, they are not "weak". That is not to be about the quality of it, I don't assume that a human brains scan could be translated into ant connections.
Safeties
12 is an expansion of 9: There could develop a market for hives to have their ant population be made up of more desirable ants. Ants can be made to smell compatible for a hive and rich hives might want ants that are faster, mor reliable and more long lived and durable.
36 is a bit samey with 17: People would know and would learn a lot more about ants. Basic school biology would probably be part of civics and ant biology facts woudl be more everyday. In the sudden discovery phase there would be a need to package up these things so that a lto of people can get up to speed and to facilate either peaceful or more effectively hostile relations.
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1) Destroying ant colonies becomes a criminal offence in many countries.
2) Some countries launch a campaign to exterminate the perceived threat.
3) There is a large outbreak of online conspiracy theories asserting that this is proof of the existence of aliens/Gods.
4) The person(s) who discovered ant colonies are intelligent becomes very famous and wins a lot of prizes.
5) Building things becomes more expensive due to the need to conduct surveys to ensure that no ant colonies are disturbed.
6) Special reservations are created where ant colonies can live free of human interference.
7) Computer games where you play as a simulated ant gain in popularity.
8) The UN tries to organise peace talks between warring ant colonies.
9) A large number of stories are written involving intelligent ant colonies.
10) A society for the promotion of the welfare of ants is formed
11) A lot of scientific research is diverted into trying to understand why ants colonies are intelligent, and how to communicate with them.
12) Companies that try to trade with ants lose money as it turns out that we don't have much they want.
13) A lot of people refuse to believe that ant colonies are intelligent, and go on anti-ant protests claiming it is all a conspiracy.
14) The SETI program gets a large infusion of cash to hunt for other intelligences out there.
15) Intelligent ant colonies are able to grow faster, and go onto devastate many ecosystems.
16) Toy ants become one of the best selling toys.
17) Documentaries/non fiction books about ants become more popular.
18) A lot of people think 'Oh that's interesting' - and then continue doing exactly what they would have done anyway.
19) Special jails have to be built to hold ant colonies that kill people.
20) It becomes illegal to keep ants as pets.
21) A movie with a totally unrealistic depiction of an ant colony as a hero wins the oscars.
22) It inspires a single love 'Love our Ants' which tops the charts for a record period of time.
23) A statue of an ant is put on the fourth plinth of Trafalgar square
24) Vegetarianism becomes more popular as some people start thinking other animals might also be intelligent.
25) Politicians make boring speeches about what this means about our place in the world, which are mostly ignored.
26) The US military gets a multi billion dollar budget for anti-ant super weapons, and the project goes hopelessly over budget.
27) Ant colonies become a convenient scapegoat for things like global warming.
28) It becomes illegal to keep ants as pets.
29) Ant colonies are given the vote in elections.
30) Ant colonies win an election as they outnumber the humans.
31) Ant colonies begin re-arranging the world to suit them.
32) There are a large number of anti-ant government protests.
33) Ant colonies decide that humans are an environmental menace and should be wiped out for the good of the rest of planet.
34) Ant colonies are able to use there numerical advantage to wipe the humans out.
35) Humans are able to use their advanced technology to make large ant colonies extinct.
36) Ants become temporarily the most googled keyword
37) Ant colonies inspire novel attempts to create AIs based on them.
38) Relations between different groups of humans becomes better as their differences looks small compared to their differences with ants.
39) People refuse to believe that ant colonies could be intelligent. It undermines trust in science, which is used by various special interest groups to undermine the scientific case whenever it is in their interests.
40) The number of people in prison increases as a lot of people are arrested for killing ants.
41) Fears that governments will ban pesticides that kill ants lead to people panic buying anti-ant pesticides.
42) Governments ban pesticides that could kill ants.
43) Reduced pesticide use leads to a drop in global food production.
44) Lack of food causes riots in several developing countries.
45) More people die of hunger.
46) Countries go to war over the lack of food.
47) School children are required to learn about ant colonies in school.
48) A campaign is launched to wipe out predators that could destroy ant colonies.
49) Zoos are no longer allowed to have ant colonies.
50) Zoos are no longer allowed to feed ants to their animals.
USA-centric.
Tsuyoku Naritai!
The evening sun sets on the horizon. An owl hoots ominously. You stare at the ant hill in disbelief. You’ve checked the data many times, and there’s only one remaining hypothesis without vanishingly small probability.
Ant colonies are intelligent. Not the individual ants -- but the colony as a whole. They process information in a way metaphorically similar to what brains or GPUs do, without any of the constituent neurons or transistors being intelligent.
Through a somewhat haphazardly administered battery of tests you’ve determined the colony’s intelligence level to be around that of an average human. Despite only containing about a million ants.
But the world would not have looked like this had ant hills always been intelligent. No, they became intelligent, for reasons unknown, starting this week.
You realise that the world, as they say, will never be the same.
But what, exactly, are the consequences of this?
This week’s challenge: babble 50 ways in which the world would change if ant colonies of sufficient size had the intelligence of a human.
What would governments, entrepreneurs, or artists do differently? Would companies build use-at-home interfaces for talking to colonies? Would governments seal off colonies from public access? Would ant poison become illegal?
You tell me.
Looking back
Following a suggestion since last week, I’m changing the scoring system a bit. From this week onwards, you gain a star by completing the challenge, and lose a star for missing a week. (Instead of losing all your stars for missing a week).
Here are the current rankings. Great job everyone!
★★★★ gjm, jacobjacob, Tetraspace Grouping
★★★ Mark Xu, Bucky, Yonge
★★ Turntrout, Slider, Harmless
★ tinyanon, mingyuan, Rafael Harth, habryka, romeostevensit, WrongPlanet, Raemon, MikkW, amplemaple, Max Dalton, athom, johnswentworth, ryan_b, Ericf, CptDrMoreno
(Max Dalton and Turntrout answered a previous week’s challenge, but they did it within the last week. Slider and Elizabeth made submissions that were great in many ways, but ultimately disqualified. For motivation see their answers and my comment where applicable.)
Moving Forwards
This is week 5 out of my 7-week babble sprint.
Last week was a personal babble, so this week will be less so. I chose this week’s challenge because it relates to this question:
What is creativity for?
It might sound like an obvious question, but I want to give one gears-level answer. It relates to a particular tactical manoeuvre that I think is crucial in your rationality toolkit.
Let me give some examples.
What do these examples have in common?
You are trying to optimise some goal under some constraints. Suddenly, the constraints shift. New paths open up. The previously optimal strategy is no longer optimal. The gameboard changes. And the winners are those who can reorient quickly, or who come prepared.
I heard the following second-hand from a very successful entrepreneur:
There is also a similar anecdote about Feynman:
This week’s babble follows in that spirit.
(I previously wrote about this during the beginning of covid. It is also related to the notion of an OODA loop. Johnswentworth also has good LessWrong posts about it, but I can’t find them right now because my chrome is super slow for reasons I don’t know.)
A note of caution
To get stronger, a tennis player might lift weights. They do some motion with the weights (like a bicep curl) and their muscles grow. Out on the court those same muscles are used to swing the racket. However, a tennis player who tried to use the same arm motions to swing the racket as they used to lift weights, would probably perform terribly. They have misunderstood the connection between training and performance.
The babble challenge started out in a similar manner. We did some very artificial babbles, about going to the moon or escaping locked rooms. The idea was that we’d train the muscle of creativity. Then, whenever we needed it in real life, it would have grown stronger.
Last week we tried a more direct babble, on solving a problem in our lives. When I did it, I felt a bit like the tennis player trying to swing their racket the same way as when they were doing a bicep curl. I felt like I went too directly at the problem, while misunderstanding the mechanism.
We’ll see how this week feels.
Rules (same as usual)
Any answer must contain 50 ideas to count. That’s the babble challenge.
However, the 1 hour limit is a stretch goal. It’s fine if it takes longer to get to 50.
This is really important. Sharing babble in public is a scary experience. I don’t want people to leave this having back-chained the experience “If I am creative, people will look down on me”. So be generous with those upvotes.
If you comment on someone else’s post, focus on making exciting, novel ideas work — instead of tearing apart worse ideas.
Reward people for babbling — don’t punish them for not pruning.
I might remove comments that break this rule.
I've often found that 1 great idea can hide among 10 bad ones. You just need to push through the worse ones. Keep talking. To adapt Wayne Gretzky's great quote: "You miss 100% of the ideas you never generate."
If you spend 5 min agonising over not having anything to say, you’re doing it wrong. You’re being too critical. Just lower your standards and say something, anything. Soon enough you’ll be back on track.
This is really, really important. It’s the only way I’m able to complete these exercises.
Now, go forth and babble! 50 consequences of intelligent ant colonies!