I once saw a video on Instagram of a psychiatrist recommending to other psychiatrists that they purchase ear scopes to check out their patients' ears, because:
1. Apparently it is very common for folks with severe mental health issues to imagine that there is something in their ear (e.g., a bug, a listening device)
2. Doctors usually just say "you are wrong, there's nothing in your ear" without looking
3. This destroys trust, so he started doing cursory checks with an ear scope
4. Far more often than he expected (I forget exactly, but something like 10-20%ish), there actually was something in the person's ear -- usually just earwax buildup, but occasionally something else like a dead insect -- that was indeed causing the sensation, and he gained a clinical pathway to addressing his patients' discomfort that he had previously lacked
Tangential, but...
Schizophrenia is the archetypal definitely-biological mental disorder, but recently for reasons relevant to the above, I've been wondering if that is wrong/confused. Here's my alternate (admittedly kinda uninformed) model:
That is, if you suddenly get an extreme idea (e.g. that the fly that flapped past you is a sign from god that you should abandon your current life), you would expect dynamics like:
"Most people succumb to peer pressure", https://roamresearch.com/#/app/srcpublic/page/u3919iPfj
- it’s wrong to try to control people or stop them from doing locally self-interested & non-violent things in the interest of “humanity’s future”, in part because this is so futile.
- if the only way we survive is if we coerce people to make a costly and painful investment in a speculative idea that might not even work, then we don’t survive! you do not put people through real pain today for a “someday maybe!” This applies to climate change, AI x-risk, and socially-conservative cultural reform.
How does "this is so futile" square with the massive success of taxes and criminal justice? From what I've heard, states have managed to reduce murder rates by 50x. Obviously that's stopping people from something violent rather than non-violent, but what's the aspect of violence that makes it relevant? Or e.g. how about taxes which fund change to renewable energy? The main argument for socially-conservative cultural reform is fertility, but what about taxes that fund kindergartens, they sort of seem to have a similar function?
The key trick to make it correct to try to control people or stop them is to be stronger than them.
I think this prompts some kind of directional update in me. My paraphrase of this is:
Therefore…. Well, you don’t spell out your answer. My answer is "I should have a personal meaning-making resolution to 'what would I do if those two things are both true,' even if one of them turns out to be false, so that I can think clearly about whether they are true."
I’ve done a fair amount of similar meaningmaking work through the lens of Solstice 2022 and 2023. But that was more through lens of ‘nearterm extinction’ than ‘inevitability of value loss', which does feel like a notably different thing.
So it seems worth doing some thinking and pre-grieving about that.
I of course have some answers to ‘why value loss might not be inevitable’, but it’s not something I’ve yet thought about through an unclouded lens.
I honestly feel that the only appropriate response is something along the lines of "fuck defeatism"[1].
This comment isn't targeted at you, but at a particular attractor in thought space.
Let me try to explain why I think rejecting this attractor is the right response rather than engaging with it.
I think it's mostly that I don't think that talking about things at this level of abstraction is useful. It feels much more productive to talk about specific plans. And if you have a general, high-abstraction argument that plans in general are useless, but I have a specific argument why a specific plan is useful, I know which one I'd go with :-).
Don't get me wrong, I think that if someone struggles for a certain amount of time to try to make a difference and just hits wall after wall, then at some point they have to call it. But "never start" and "don't even try" are completely different.
It's also worth noting, that saving the world is a team sport. It's okay to pursue a plan that depends on a bunch of other folk stepping up and playing their part.
I would also suggest that this is the best way to respond to depression rather than "trying to argue your way out of it".
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https://arxiv.org/pdf/2407.00695 Minimo, an RL agent for jointly learning both conjectures and proofs in Peano from "intrinsic motivation"
"three cultures of self-criticism" https://roamresearch.com/#/app/srcpublic/page/zzRZnCLd_
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EA orgs have a tendency to undervalue "ops" work, treating a variety of specialized tasks as though they should all be done by a usually female "office mom" whom they don't really respect.
I don't know about "the EA orgs", but the rationalists closest to me are very explicit about the best ops people being some of the most important people around. Most of the Lightcone team are ops generalists. I have long advised would-be org founders that advice #1 is "don't found an org", #2 is "don't grow the org", and #3 is "if you really need to found an org, then your very first hire should be a super ops person".
"A Message to Garcia" comes up now and then on LessWrong; it explains the ethos of the super ops person quite nicely. A little snippet from the beginning:
...When war broke out between Spain and the United States, it was very necessary to communicate quickly with the leader of the Insurgents. Garcia was somewhere in the mountain fastnesses of Cuba—no one knew where. No mail or telegraph message could reach him. The President must secure his cooperation, and quickly.
What to do!
Someone said to the President, “There is a fellow by the name of Rowan [Lt. Andrew S. Rowan, U.S. Army] will f
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https://people.mpi-sws.org/~dg/teaching/lis2014/modules/ifc-1-volpano96.pdf the Volpano-Smith-Irvine security type system assigns security levels to variables (like "high" and "low" security). You can either use type checking or information theory inequalities to verify properties like "information can't flow from low to high security."
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then I think it is also very questionable whether the AI that wins wars is the most "advanced" AI. / People like Dario whose bread-and-butter is model performance invariably over-index on model performance, especially on benchmarks. But practical value comes from things besides the model; what tasks you use it for and how effective you are at deploying it.
Dario is about the last AI CEO you should be making this criticism of. Claude has been notable for a while for the model which somehow winds up being the most useful and having the best 'vibes', even when the benchmarks indicate it's #2 or #3; and meanwhile, it is the Chinese models which historically regress the most from their benchmarks when applied (and DeepSeek models, while not as bad as the rest, still do this and r1 is already looking shakier as people try out heldout problems or benchmarks).
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https://capable.com/ new AI-for-science startup by Izaak Freeman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revealed_preference the Generalized Axiom of Revealed Preference, or GARP, defines the behavior that could have come from a decision-theoretic agent
https://people.csail.mit.edu/dhm/ Dylan Hadfield-Menell, AI researcher, thesis was about principal-agent problems with the user as principal and AI as agent
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https://www.worksinprogress.news/p/the-prehistoric-psychopath using a nice big dataset of modern hunter-gatherers and prehistoric archaeological sites, what do we find about ancient violence?
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